A critical analysis of Jeffries vs Ruhlin

Thank you.
I simply cannot believe the things people criticize Jeffries for, when they refer to fights like Lewis vs. Klitschko as the pinnacle of Heavyweight technical mastery.

 

Good posts this thread.
Check out the highlight video of Lewis vs. Klitschko above.
Doesn't it look like Vitali comes in with his hands low all the time as well?

Sometimes he even seems to keep his left lower than his groin area.
Which is totally fine. There is nothing from with a championship level fighter carrying his hands the way he deems fit. But the double standards are sort of befuddling.

 

Lewis v Klitschko was a sloppy brawl ,who said it, was "the pinnacle of Heavyweight technical mastery"?

 

Ever seen him punished for it?

 

I'm not sure if anyone has outright said that directly, since it would sound sort of silly.
But I think it's insinuated by many.

Lewis and Klitschko are often referred to as the modern elite Heavyweights with superior technical skills.

 

I believe you can say that:

https://streamable.com/06etn

Vitali gets clocked with and overhand right that he had no chance to defend because he left was all the way down.
Both Lewis and Klitschko seem to pay for their hands low.
However, who is to say that keeping their hands low wasn't beneficial to a meta strategy?

If Jeffries, Lewis, Klitschko, Ali, and many others held there hands low, maybe there is something wrong with the way we (general public) understand boxing technique/strategy.

 

Nobody.

 

Having your left hand down below your waist when attacking your opponent is just ridiculous.No trainer of any credibility would ever advocate it,there is just no getting around it.There are fundamentals and there are excuses.
Vitali was accustomed to fighting smaller men whom he could control with his height and reach ,he couldn't do that against Lewis.
What the clip shows is the stupidity of carrying your hands too low when you are still in range of your opponents punches. Which rather proves my point!

 

I've never read it,heard it, or seen it insinuated by the media.

 

Id rather assume that Lennox Lewis and Vitali know what they're doing with their hands better than we do. But that's just me. Perhaps your critique has merit, I'm not denying that it could. But it's something I've seen top level fighters do across many divisions in many eras.

It seems like boxers today are keeping their hands lower than they were in the 90's.
Things seem to be going more towards a reflex based hands low style. But I could be wrong.

 

I'm referring more to the conversations that take place here.

 

Do people just not understand how serious and excruciatingly painful a rotator cuff injury can be, or do they think he just made it up out of whole cloth?[/QUOTE]

You can't look at boxing like an actuary because many times logic and reasoning do not apply......this sport is primitive in nature and speaks more to our primordial instincts than reason......

On your point about rotator cuff pain and a champions mentality .....it is about the will to win where the price of victory is worth never tasting the agony of defeat.....fighting through pain and adversity is a fundamental ingredient to a champion. If he is unwilling to fight through then he lacks the core belief he can still win no matter the odds.....it is about belief

 

You can't look at boxing like an actuary because many times logic and reasoning do not apply......this sport is primitive in nature and speaks more to our primordial instincts than reason......

On your point about rotator cuff pain and a champions mentality .....it is about the will to win where the price of victory is worth never tasting the agony of defeat.....fighting through pain and adversity is a fundamental ingredient to a champion. If he is unwilling to fight through then he lacks the core belief he can still win no matter the odds.....it is about belief[/QUOTE]
I gave examples of those willing to go through the pain barrier.

 

What was the purpose of bleeding and why don't modern physicians still bleed sick folk?

 

They do. It's called blood detoxification and blood transfusions. That's all bleeding was. Remove infected blood. Give the body time to make new blood. Detoxing blood removes the blood, cleans it, and sends it back into the body.