Why does Golovkin gets criticism but Crawford doesn't

Maybe because Crawford is all deadly serious business while GGG is always cracking a Jack O Lantern grin.

 

P4p lists are meaningless. I give you my criteria though. Can you inside fight. You can't be one dimensional. Have to be versatile with a complete array of skills on offense and defense. Exception to that rule is if you've beaten top opponents who are also regarded as high opposition. You have to have multiple weight classes under your belt. You have to challenge yourself. You can't struggle with smaller men and you need to prove yourself against bigger men hence to prove you're p4p.

Btw I told you in plain English about 135 and 140 being better than 160. Go back and read my last posts. Others have already addressed you on this and you gave them the same half ass fanboy deflecting.

Fanboy. I've said all I need to say. This is just a battle of attrition. As we get closer to rematch, your excuse symptoms will become a full blown virus. G is pretty much done and when it's over, you'll jump to the next unstoppable monster. G will never rank higher than Bhop as well. Get that through your fanboy skull.

Fads never last.

 

It's pretty unfair to claim GGG is merely a "fad". There's not one fighter who had unified a weight class and been a top p4p fighter who didn't deserve it. Is he ranked higher than Bhop? Absolutely not....Hopkins has had a legendary career and longevity spanning 3 decades. Not many fighters will ever be able to make that claim. Golovkin received a lot of hype based on how he was demolishing the competition at 160. His knockout percentage garners a lot of attention as it has for any boxer with concussive power. Mike Tyson received a ton of hype for the same reasons Golovkin has. They both were undefeated and rallied off a string of consecutive knockouts that were impressive. In both cases the opposition left much to be desired but they were able to win title after title to back up their hype. How the rematch plays out between Alvarez and GGG no one knows, but the momentum and edge favors Golovkin based on how the last fight unfolded inside the ring as well as how everything has played out when the dust settled

 

Beltran is probably a dependable, solid contender in most lightweight eras. Same as he is now.

Gamboa had been off for a a year, but he passed the eye test that evening and probably would have defeated quite a few lesser titleholders and even champions at lightweight that night. It's a good win. Crawford was favored, but there was always the question of how he'd fare against someone like Gamboa if the latter was on their game. We found out.

Indongo is only considered weak because Crawford is that damned good. He looked solid in defeating Troy and Burns.

Burns was a two division titleholder, and while he has never amazed he's always been solid.

I mean, I'd say Gamboa is probably more relevant historically than Danny Jacobs at present. A fighter like Burns is probably is a more meaningful win to a guy like Crawford than a guy like Geale would have been. And so on. That's not to criticize GGG or his standing; it's just to say that when engaging in an exercise where you rank fighters based on eye test and quality of opposition I probably rank Crawford a bit higher personally when taking both factors into consideration.

But I'm not necessarily going to take a hammer to either guy's resume when doing so.

 

Fad: an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived and without basis in the object's qualities; a craze.

Its very fair given his body of work and how he's performed on his biggest stages. Unlike Tyson, G's not even a ppv star and he does not possess Tysons natural ability.

As far as the rematch, it's done. Add GGG and his pressure-pawing jab style to the list of other hbo pushed fighters like Roman and Kovalev. Anything can happen but G is the more limited fighter. His 200+ punches (very laughable claim by compubox) that landed on Canelo's face barely bruised him.

Canelo beats him in the rematch and ends this fad. Don't be surprised by a KO.

 

canelo who couldnt ko charvez who was dead at the weight and a welter weight in cotto canelo couldnt even move golovkin[/QUOTE]

Ward and Crawford cant sell, they are hype jobs.

 

The definition should affirm that Golovkin's not a fad. He's had longevity and he's defended his titles successfully multiple times. So there's substance and merit to the enthusiasm. A fad is something that's a flash in the pan...an intense flame that goes out quickly.

Not being a PPV star is also contradictory to a fad....If GGG was a PPV star without any meaningful accomplishments and went out of style as fast as he came in....then the label of being a fad would be fitting. GGG doesn't have Tysons natural ability.....there hasn't been anyone before or since Mike that possessed his raw talent and massive presence in the history of the sport. The only things in common between GGG and Tyson their profession as championship boxers, their knockout streak and being listed as #1 on the p4p rankings.

You can have whatever perception you want regarding Golovkin's jab and ability as a boxer....but you can't take away his accomplishments. If the pawing jab wasn't an effective weapon then the bigger question has nothing to do with GGG, but with Alvarez.

If Alvarez couldn't muster up a sustainable offense against GGG and effectively neutralize something you characterized as a "limited and pawing jab"....what's that say about Canelo's abilty as a boxer? Surely Alvarez would have had an easy nights work like he did against guys like Amir Khan, James Kirkland and Liam if Golovkin's pawing jab style and boxing limitations were accurate?

You could be right about the rematch. Nelo might be able to make adjustments and have a better night than he did the first time around. We will have to wait and see....one thing is certain....he can't win the fight by KO if he implements the same strategy he did on September 16th that was mostly back peddling and working in spots. He'll have to stand his ground a lot more and rely on his angles, head movement, lateral movement and defensive savvy so he in within range to land his punches. That's the only way he will score a knockout. That of course is a big risk because that means he will also be within Golovkin's range as well. Someone's getting knocked out or stopped in the rematch because there's little doubt Alvarez will be looking to prove to his fans and critics that GGG is not the better fighter

 

Gamboa was tiny, never was gonna win !

 

45 lb pmsl Turn it in fella...His amateur and pro career seems to be pointing towards a different story (GGG). Hes no 1 or 2 down to serious skills. Your just gonna have to accept it

 

"Golovkin isn't a P4P fighter" yet when asked for a top 10 ranking "P4P is meaningless".....LMAO that's because you know that you would be laughed off the forum.

Calling GGG a fad has been cleared up very nicely by @JohnnyDrama99, I've no need to go there on you.

Regarding Hopkins, he has the whole better body of work with him going to 175, but at 160 I think it's a toss up who or how you would rank each fighter.

Hopkins 160 was weak, as weak as the one Golovkin ruled, the only difference is Golovkin doesn't have a draw against C level Mercado, didn't have to have a 3 fight trilogy with Allen, didn't have to face c level Antwun Echols twice and didn't lose the first time he fought an athletic fighter who was physically as big as him.

As for name calling Golovkin regarding his PPV numbers......how much did Crawford's do? .....LOL....

 

A fad in boxing is a guy who comes out of no where in his 30's with everybody acting like he's the greatest thing since slice bread, blowing him out of proportion. The guy is one year younger than Pavlik. Where was this guy this whole time. The spotlight has just got to him and he's already being found out.

You brought Tyson into this btw. I gladly put that comparison to an end.

G's accomplishments are very minimal. He hasn't fought people nor really beat anyone for a belt. He was given Canelo's belt because he's a fighter that doesn't transcend the sport like a Canelo who doesn't need a belt or make believe agenda to warrant his hype.

My perception of the fight is far more accurate than yours believing G controlled the most important components and I quote you, "pace, tempo and range".

What about clean punching, here's a big one...EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION, defense and of course ring generalship? Pace/tempo (same thing basically) and range are not scoring criteria. You're whole case is made on EFFORT, not EFFECTIVENESS or execution.

The defensively superior fighter was Canelo. A blind folded fighter could emulate the same amount of effort employed by Triple Miss (yeah, the guys accuracy was atrocious) but probably be more gung-ho with putting more into their punches than that tentative display of the so called "Mexican" style that G employed that consisted of a pump jab with very little meet on it as his main choice out of his arsenal.

How many times did anyone or you see a jab snap Canelo's head back? There wasn't too many that did.

G couldn't time nor land effective punches on Canelo when Canelo was even on the ropes. He landed one big right hand in the 5th round. How many right hands did you see G land for the remainder of the fight? Not too many. G was getting credited with a pity pat jab because he didn't go to the body and was missing badly or countered when he did try to land big punches hence HBO's emphasis on his poor jab. It was the only punch he used mostly when throwing combinations. A rapid pump jab lmao

Other than that he would throw one or two big winging punches at a time. True combination Punching was abysmal which is going to bring me to my next point.

G magically doesn't have power anymore. You sit here and say Canelo couldn't nullify a pawing jab. He did. You have to give credit to a guy who makes a fighters punch selection limited to a stat padding jab with no meat on it.

Canelo had a winning gameplan, just doesn't have Floyd's stamina to employ it a full 12 rounds and even while fatigued was still very successful in slipping, rolling, blocking or flat out making G miss for the vast majority of the fight. G did not cut off the ring on him. He simply followed. There's a difference.

G did not pin Canelo to the ropes. Canelo went and left the ropes as he pleased. Canelo was the defensive and offensive, more superior versatile fighter who landed the harder, cleaner more effective punches bottom line.

There's a reason why people are making threads about G not having hunger anymore and why G is now "old and deteriorating". He's a limited fighter who can blow out cab drivers but struggles with elite competition. His accomplishments are killing HBO who focus their efforts on him being a monster but the public is not buying it.

The media tries to make him out to be a big deal and on this board but even with Canelo, the fight only outsold Chavez Jr by 100k.

G's true accomplishments earned with merit are very minimal without the help of a hype machine and Andre Ward retiring. He is a media creation who will never live up to the hype and was employed just to try to capture the fan base that throws their money into UFC.

It's not working. He is a fad and it's already pretty much over. The more we get closer to the rematch, the more people are realizing this dude is not the goods. Just another Roman Gonzalez, HBO pushed fighter blown out of proportion.

Tyson was special. RJJ was special. Floyd/Pac are special. G, there's really nothing special. No star power, no personality. Very basic skills. Mediocre resume. It's done.

Don't be so sure about counting out a Canelo KO. He will be more adjusted to 160 in the next fight and G is not something new or something to be afraid of anymore. This is what DJ found out and this is also what Canelo found out.

The aura of invincibility is gone and Canelo will have a more concentrated gameplan I believe will take into effect sooner because we all know G is just going to pressure sooner. He's going to be caught with bigger punches even earlier just as Kov was vs Ward in the rematch.

You also talk about Canelo's 30 second spurts. They were more like a minute. Those last 3 rounds, Canelo landed more effective punches in those minute spurts than G did almost in the entire fight.

G is getting KOed in the second fight. I plan something very grand the night of the rematch because it's too fun to troll these haters. I already see where G is very vulnerable. Canelo couldn't pull it off in the first fight because he didn't have enough gas. It's a very simple correction on his part.

I'll give you a hint. He does exactly what Manny does out of frustration. He even leaves his feet when he does it. I think Canelo picks up on it in the rematch. Good chatting with you but I have to go.

 

Hey fanboy. I got a homework assignment for you. Really try to make some really good-creative excuses for your boy. You have a long time to do so before the rematch and we're ban betting so don't be a vagina.

 

it would be a beartdown, bt ricky would stick it out to the end. the evidence says he would even with a broekn frekin chin.

Be aware that I've already said POUND4POUND ie they are the same size people. Obviously most hard hitting MWs will be odds on to stop a tough SFW/LW. Gotta mention that cos there are some thik fcukers reading this.

Trouble with Burnsy, as we are startng to see now, is the guy doesnt know when to quit.

 

well compared h2h on resume,crawford has done more at the same age as 3G for sure, and by far - realistic complete unification in his TWENTIES, for goodnes sake. 3G hadnt won a real title until his 30s. He has prgressed much quicker. BUt 3G is ahead in terms of whole thing, though he has 5 years on Terry.

But comparing a 30 year old wth a 35 year old isnt fair, you need to compare them when they are both finished.