CAN PEOPLE PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT CANELO WAS

He had 40 fights just beat Trout who previously had beaten Cotto. He was Worldclass at that point.

 

drainello

 

I'd say Canelo was slightly green, slightly drained.
But Floyd was also 36, making him past his best as well
So the fight evened out.

 

Are you truthfully trying to claim you can watch that fight and see that as non competitive ??? You're really proving your level and type of fan you truly are.

There was NOT more than 2 rounds that were dominant rounds for fmj. Just about every round was fought very tightly.

Of course fmj won, but he did nothing remotely close to dominate canelo. You're obviously confused with how boxing works.

You can have a very competitive fight that ends very wide score cards. If scored properly. Saying that you can have a very lopsided fight with much closer scoring.

You're not understanding what you're watching if you truly believe that fight wasnt a competitive affair. I didn't say very close scores, I said competitive because just about every round was tightly fought

 

Hen was not drained, canelo fought his previous fight weighing in at 153, so 152 vs fmj was a gift from fmj.

Canelo challenged fmj @ 150.. fmj wanted to make sure he'd get the credit rightfully deserved so he gave him 152.

Canelo came down from 153
Fmj came up from 146.

That was a great fight and such a true accomplishment for a 36 yr old tiny jww

 

Must had been suicide coming all the way down from 153 to 152.
Fyi: canelo challenged fmj claiming he can comfortably make 150, facts

 

The fight before Floyd came up from 146 was at 154 vs Cotto. Vs Cotto, the year before, Floyd stressed how important it was that it wasn't at a catchweight so Cotto could be at his best.

Also Floyd still held the 154-lb title he won from Cotto when he fought Canelo. So for all intents and purposes Floyd already was established as a 154-lb Champ (at the full limit). So at that point there was no excuses for Floyd to need a catchweight, after demonstrating and stressing that he had no problem fighting Cotto at 154 the year before.

Canelo never "challenged Floyd at 150" that's spin to protect Floyd from being accused of needing a catchweight. Way back in 2011 IIRC, Canelo was asked whether he wanted to fight Floyd. At that time, Floyd was only fighting at 147. This was before he went up and became a Champ at 154.

Canelo at that point was asked about fighting Floyd at a catchweight and basically said he wanted to fight him, and that was interpreted and spun as Canelo wanting to fight Floyd at a catchweight. You're making excuses for Floyd, suggesting that fighting Canelo at a catchweight was fair or normal, which it wasn't. For a 154-lb Champ who stressed how important it was to fight Cotto at 154 (with no catchweight), Floyd should have had no problem defending his 154-lb title vs Canelo at the limit. The fact that Floyd and his team used that quote from 2011 taken completely out of context, using the "language barrier" to gain advantages on Canelo by attempting to weaken Canelo was cowardly by Floyd and a sign that Floyd was very wary of Canelo's power.

It would have been a great accomplishment had Floyd beaten Canelo at 154. But his need for a 152 catchweight affects his legacy and the legitimacy of that bout. I still consider Canelo an undefeated fighter because he was put a significant disadvantage by Floyd through negotiations. Floyd needed the catchweight to beat Canelo, he obviously wasn't confident in his ability to beat Canelo at full strength.

 

He wasnt green, he had well over 40 fights and unified 2 titles

However he only had 1 really big fight and that was Trout, he had a gimme belt vs Hatton and fought a lot of smaller guys like Gomez and Lopez and Mosley so I guess you could say he was green vs elite fighters. Trout was kind of the first fight that was a real test and not just a set up fight. So it seemed odd they would pair him right in with Floyd

That said the public clamored for it, the die hards clamored for it and even I wanted the fight. I dont care who he fought in his next few fights nothing would have prepared Canelo for Floyd since Floyd was levels above anyone at the time. Even after a few more big fights from Canelo I still never would have picked him vs Floyd at any stage while Floyd was still active in a rematch

The only thing that puts a damper on the win is the 152lb weight advantage and it was hypocritical to see the guys who ripped pacquiao for catchweight fights were cool with this especially after he had previously fought De La Hoya several years prior at the full limit

 

Canelo was inexperienced against top fighters.

The version who fought Floyd was too cautious.

There were numerous times in the fight, where Floyd was backed on the ropes or in the corner, and he stood off of him as he didn't want to engage and get countered. He just wouldn't press him in the way that Oscar and Maidana did. Oscar drove at Floyd and unleashed a barrage of shots, and Floyd covered up. But it impressed the judges and Oscar was awarded rounds on aggression. But Canelo just wouldn't engage Floyd in that way. He was just far too timid. The current version of Canelo which has matured, would never have stood off of him in that manner. So despite the number of fights he'd had at the time, yes, he was a little green. Floyd would have had a much tougher fight against the version that we see today.

I still give Floyd huge credit, as he put in a great performance. But I just wish that he hadn't have demanded the C-W. That was disappointing, because it was completely unecessary. If he'd have let Canelo weigh-in at 154, where he'd have rehydrated by a lot of weight, he'd have gotten much more credit for the win. As it stands, there's still people out there who believe Canelo may have been drained. Personally, I don't believe it for a second. But Floyd's actions gave people the opportunity to question it. And he'd previously claimed that he didn't care what Canelo rehydrated to, as in his words: Skills pays the bills" So the clause which he demanded took the shine off of his win, which again, wasn't necessary, especially as he was the JMW champ.

 

never mind the Cotto fight at 154 he fought De La Hoya like 6 years earlier at 154

 

i agree with paragraph 2

I dont agree on the cautious part as he never really was an overly aggressive fighter unless he had a massive advantage and was also a clear favorite. He wasnt aggressive vs Khan, Cotto or Golovkin

 

You're making excuses for Floyd. A legitimate 154-lb champ wouldn't need or request a catchweight. Canelo never challenged Floyd at a catchweight. He was asked back in like 2011 whether or not he wanted to fight Floyd. He basically said yes he wanted to fight Floyd. Back then, Canelo probably had an easier time making 150 than 2 years later. I mean we see it all that time that fighters all of a sudden have a tough time making weight. Look at Danny Garcia, one year he's comfortably making 140 the next year he's struggling to make 140. So you have to first consider the time in which Canelo was asked about fighting Floyd. At that point Floyd was not a 154-lb Champ. Once Floyd became a 154-lb champ and stressed fighting Cotto at the limit, then you'd expect that guy to defend his title at 154.

 

Yes, there was no precedent to fight Canelo at a catchweight when Floyd had no problem fighting DLH or Cotto at 154. If there's any reason to have a catchweight, generally it's when you're moving up to a new weight class for the first time. Once you're a champ, normally you'd be expected to defend that title at the weight limit.

 

It's not a weak argument.

It's not the number of fights that's important, it's the level of competition.

 

A seasoned vet?

Who had he fought out of those 40 plus fights?