Sonny Liston vs Marty Marshal - First fight

Which is why I didn't say anything about Liston getting hit while laughing.

 

Yes he easily could've won. He knocked Marty down, in the 2nd round. When Marty got up, he started screaming and howling like a dog which made Liston laugh. Marty caught Liston laughing and broke his jaw. Liston still fought valiantly to a SD which could've gone either way.

 

This info in this link is absolute cr*p! BS brought out here by an agenda driven poster Choklab. Where is the primary source that Liston admitted to Marshall "almost having him out"? Liston won every round of their 3 rd and last fight!
About their second fight Marshall said this.Recalling that he knocked Sonny down,"I'm sorry to this day about that". Man am I sorry..He hit me after that lke---- nobody should be hit like that.I think about it now and I hurt.

He came out after me in the 5th rd.He hit me with a right hand on my ear.It didn't knock me down,but it hurt so much I just had to go down anyway.The next round he knocked me down three times."
"He hit me in the stomach with a left hand in the 6th.That wasn't a knockdown either.It couldn't be: I was paralyzed,I just couldn't move enough to fall down" Later in that round Marshall said," he knocked me down another 3 times and that was it".
" Later in 1956 when the time came for their third and final match,Marshall knew that he never again in his life wanted a beating such as Liston had given him;and if losing was inevitable ,he wanted at least to avoid the th new dimensions of pain to which Liston had delivered him."
" I just knew I couldn' t let him touch me.
"Marshall ran all night."

 

I'm sure you are anti Liston and anti Foreman too!

 

It's about as objective and honest as you.

Both judges and referee Buck McTiernan scored the bout the same—the first round even and the next nine for Liston. Marshall spent most of his time retreating." - Associated Press

 

The link is not absolute crap. The information is fascinating to any boxing historian. It is the full article from Sports illustrated in 1964. This is documented stuff taken from the time.

The only way to get a perspective on the first Liston v Marshall fight is to source information about the fight, interviews with people in question. I don't think a study on Liston v Marshall is complete without this article.

http://www.si.com/vault/1964/02/10/608210/the-four-who-baffled-liston


Any fan of Liston would appreciate rare quotes taken from men who shared a ring with him plus the rare report on the First Marshal fight. It is for the reader to decide.

Im not sure it's anti Liston, it was written just before the Clay fight when Sonny was seen as an unbeatable monster worthy of being a 7-1 favourite over his #1 contender.

Whilst Liston was considered practically unbeatable, The perspective then would be to look at and research how on earth anyone was going to beat Sonny.

I remember articles like this about Tyson. I think back in February 1964 it would have taken more effort to locate these guys than it would do today. It is very well researched.

 

No I am not anti Liston or anti Foreman. The two of them proved to be the best in the world and were great fighters.

I am anti hype. I have nothing against any champion. This thread is about the first Marty Marshall fight. It is not about how good Sonny Liston was. Or Foreman. It is very bizarre you bring George into this on a Marty Marshall thread.

 

Where did the source of this originally come from? - "screaming and howling like a dog which made Liston laugh. Marty caught Liston laughing and broke his jaw."

I have never seen anyone produce proof that this story exisisted around the time of the fight. Factually this dog barking/screaming is unproven. Sonny getting the giggles or laughing seems unlikely.

There is no shame in a prospect getting his jaw broken in an early fight. Liston had yet to develop into a great fighter.

Sonny does not need this hyped up excuse to do with screaming and howling and laughing. He was inexperienced and unknown back then. Incredibly Sonny was famously stone faced in the ring. It is a bizarre story all things considered.

Without film to prove otherwise it is unlikely there was laughing and howling. There is no more evidence to say it did happen than it did not happen. In the whole history of the sport no more incidents of jaw breaking caused by laughing has ever been recorded in a boxing ring. Sonny got injured. And he lost. It's okay because he was unknown. Dempsey was knocked out when he was unknown.

 

"When Sonny lost to Marty Marshall," Harrison said, "my wife got sick about the same time and I sold my'part of the manager's share to Mitchell for $600." (Marshall is the only man who ever beat Liston. According to Sonny, Marshall wa s a clown, and atfer being knocked down in an early round got up whooping like a wild man. "I got to laughing at him. He caught me with my mouth open and he breaks my jaw. I can't close my mouth the rest of the fight. In the sixth round he pops me again and busts my jaw in another place. I walked the streets all night, it hurt bad had." Linton decisioncd and KOd"

 

Yes I read that too. But that story circulated much later. It's not what Marshall says, he refutes this, and it's not mentioned in the report of the fight. That means there is at least equal evidence that this uncharacteristic business of stone faced Sonny "taking to laughing" did not happen. It just seems a silly story. We need film to say it did happen. Without it we can't say it did.

 

We also can't say it didn't. Multiple news outlets repeated it as well. They were just liars I bet weren't they?

 

We will never know. All we can say for sure is Marshall definitely beat Sonny that one time when Liston broke his jaw. Sonny usually beat Marty apart from that one time.

 

I read it when it was first posted and it has so may inaccuracies and downright lies in it I'm not surprised you boost it!Four Who Baffled Liston my bollocks! Whitehurst retreated all night and was knocked clear out of the ring in the return,he was in the process of trying to get back in when the final bell rang ,saving him from a ko!

• Whitehurst was knocked through the ropes in the final seconds of the fight. The Associated Press reported: "In a wild flurry of lefts and rights, Liston sent Whitehurst reeling through the ropes. Whitehurst lay on the apron as referee Harry Kessler began his count. He was trying to get back in the ring when the final gong sounded at the count of eight."

The score cards were 50-37,50-40,48-39,Sonny must have been really baffled!


Liston "cowering away" from Zora Folley giving ground in the face of an attack is not cowering away!

Sonny Liston, swinging his sledgehammer fists with devastating fury, knocked out Zora Folley in 28 seconds of the third round after battering him to the canvas twice in the second round of their scheduled 12-round heavyweight fight last night. Liston, 212½-pound slugger from Philadelphia, gave ground in the first round before he unleashed his dynamite-laden 14-inch fists that slammed Folley to the deck early in the second round and again as the round ended. Folley, 198½, of Chandler, Ariz., took nine counts on both knockdowns, the bell ending the second round saving him from the cold, calculating attack that finished him in the third stanza.

Folley, a polished boxer who had won his last 10 fights—three by knockouts—staged a brilliant rally after the first knockdown. Folley staggered to his feet and battered Liston brutally with a two-fisted attack that forced the Philadelphian to give ground before he unleashed another of his bone-crushing left hooks and right-hand smashes that sent Folley crashing to the canvas on his face. Folley was struggling to his feet when the bell saved him. Handlers worked over him frantically in the corner but the effort was futile. The Arizonan danced out as they started the third only to be caught flush on the jaw by another terrific blow. The Philadelphian set up Folley with a right cross and then decked him with a fabulous left hook—a blow that has held his last nine opponents for the 10 count.
The article is biased and dishonest, no wonder you enjoyed it!
It isn't "very well researched," it is slanted to absurdity ,just like your Liston and Foreman posts always are!
"Sonny Liston of Philadelphia punched his way to the biggest purse of his career to date when he scored an 8th round TKO over Howard King of Reno, Nev., in a scheduled 10 round main event at the Miami Beach Auditorium. Liston ran up against a tough customer in King, but the Philadelphian's darting, crunching left hand gradually weakened his opponent. However, it was a right to the midsection just as the bell sounded ending the 7th round that floored King. King was examined by a physician between rounds and ruled unfit to continue." -Associated Press
Liston took out Howard King in3 rds in the rematch.
Here is the Miami Herald's account ."The small trainwreck that is Sonny Liston's legendary left jab was the softening agent.It brough blood from King's nose in the first round.The set up was a left hook,the finisher a short right cross".
" Unlike Machen King did not run from Liston,he later regretted his bravery,It was a terrible mistake,I've got to face reality,he's stronger than me and any man I've ever fought".
King fought Liston twice 1st fight he was stopped in8 rds
Second fight he was stopped in3 rds
Folley was stopped in 3rds floored for 2 nine counts in the 2nd rd before flattening him for the count in the 3rdrd!
Liston won a unanimous decision from Machen the score cards were 119-112,118-1114,118-116.
Liston commenting on the Machen fight,."It takes two to make a fight Machen wouldn't."

Liston lost a split 8rds decision to Marshall after sustaining a broken jaw in the 4th rd.Marshall was having his 26th fight ,Liston his 8th
Liston beat the sh*t out of Marshall in the 2nd fight flooring him 7 times!

Liston won 9 of the ten rounds of their third fight, the first was called even.Marshall ran unashamedly .

Liston v Whitehurst 1st fight Liston wins a comfortable decision.
Liston v Whitehurst 2ns fight liston chases Whitehurst all night and knocks him out of the ring in the last round and that's where he is when the final bell rings saving him from a ko!

Ten fights
Whitehurst x2=2wins
King x2= 2 wins both by ko
Marshall x3 = 1 split dec loss 2 wins ,1 by easy ko ,1 ,by almost a walkover. No paper mentions a kd of Liston in their 2nd fight and Liston denies it happened.
Machen win by U decision
Folley win by 3rds ko
De John win by 6rds ko with 2 knockdowns.

. Now what the f*ck is baffling about that!

 

This is a thread about the first Marty marshal fight. The only report on that fight can be found only by reading “The Four who Baffled Liston” because it is reproduced for it.

I don’t understand this weird fetish you have to produce supportive reports of Liston wins when the thread asks for info on the Marshal fights. Well here is the info.

You seem very confused

 

I believe you are and you've been accused of it enough times to warrant it! You insidiously introduced a link that is full of bull sh*t ,that bends over backwards to portray Liston in a bad light and say its not about how good Liston was! Next to Mendoza you are the most dishonest poster on here.