Foreman vs Frazier 2, if Frazier had won?

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  1. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Foreman vs Frazier 2, if Frazier had won?

    Foreman stopped Frazier in 5 rds, in real life,
    but assume Frazier had won by late TKO or decision.

    Would his management have put him back in a Ali v Frazier IV,
    with Frazier fighting in 3 consecutive brutal fights:
    Ali v Frazier III, Foreman v Frazier 2, and a Ali v Frazier IV.
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Frazier would be regarded MUCH higher today both ATG and H2H, as he would've defeated every man who faced. I don't see Ali accepting a rematch with Frazier so I see Frazier retiring. I don't see him returning to face Cummings.
     
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    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali-Frazier IV would have been a dead cert. The money and ego involved for both men would guarantee it.
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Ali imo was to worn out. Hence why he didn't want to fight Norton a 4th time. He knew the time when he could easily beat Norton, let alone Frazier, was long gone.
     
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    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There never was a time when Ali could easily beat Frazier or Norton. In fact, many people believe that Frazier won two out of the three and that Norton won all three or perhaps, two out of the three.
     
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    That is probably a bit like asking:

    What if Cobb had outpointed Holmes?

    Where does the division go from there?
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    He may've always had hell with Frazier, but I see him stopping Norton in round 6 in the 60s.
     
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    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm not convinced about that. The 60s Ali had considerable advantages against smaller (except Terrell), older fighters. The Ali that followed was tougher, but now had to usually fight heavyweights like Norton instead of small, older cruiserweights. I'm not a big fan of Norton, but he may have been able to beat Ali on Ali's best day.
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    On Norton's best day, he coudn't even beat an Ali ten years past his prime!
     
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    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Oh, you mean the guy who broke Ali's jaw en route to pummeling him to a decision win and definitely getting robbed in the third fight and possibly the second? Hmm....
    ...
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Honestly you could argue Ali won all 3 fights.
     
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    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    O
    Only the second fight is debatable.
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    TBH, I thought Ali won all 3 fights comfortably.
     
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    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok, it's silly to argue about such things. We all see things differently. Maybe you're right. Peace and all the best to you.
     
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    You to my friend.
     
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