Who is the better "all time Puncher"

Yes, because Liston and Terrell faced such monster punchers in their careers.

Who were the big punchers Sonny faced? There was um. Cleveland Williams. And ... um. . There was Ingemar Johansson? No. Um, Marciano? No. Frazier? No. Um. There was Quarry? No. Lyle? No. Shavers? No. Mac Foster? No.

Who were the big punchers Terrell faced? There was um. Cleveland Williams. And ... um ... There was Quarry? No. There was Mac Foster? No. There was ... um.

 

As anyone will tell you, I'm a HUGE Frazier fan. But frankly the notion that he hit harder than Williams is ridiculous.

 

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I don't know why you are getting so animated?
Liston fought
DeJohn
Valdes
Lincoln
Martin

Terrell fought
Lincoln
Garcia
Ramos
Foster
Merritt

It's their opinions not mine!
Terrell also sparred with Liston on several occasions and is on You Tube doing so.

 

Why? Who did Williams Ko that makes it ridiculous?

 

Chuvalo begged no one to stop it, this is hog wash,Quarry finished both fights with Frazier on his feet. Frazier ko'd 2 light heavies that's it! I couldn't care less if you give them any credence that's your prerogative.

 

Using that logic Ali hit harder than Williams!

 

Thanks for proving my point. Amos Lincoln KOed 40 percent of his opponents. He's on both lists. Ramos KOed like 30 percent of his opponents. The biggest punchers on there are 10 points behind Buster Mathis SR. in KO percentage.

Liston and Terrrell picked Cleveland Williams because he's basically the only big puncher they ever fought. I believe Cleveland Williams hit hard. I'm sure he's the hardest puncher they both faced. But take into consideration they didn't face a laundry list of guys who could bang.

Someone like Ali fought every big puncher in two decades, he rates Frazier highly, and Williams not at all. It would be interesting to hear what guys like Eddie Machen felt.

 

What was he doing at the 9:40 mark if not begging the ref to stop it?

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What do you mean that logic? You said it's ridiculous to think Frazier hit harder? All I asked is who Williams KOed to make you believe that?

He didn't KO Wayne Bethea. He didn't KO Bob Satterfield. He didn't KO Billy Daniels. He didn't KO Liston. He didn't KO Chuvalo. He didn't KO Mac Foster. He didn't KO Terry Daniels. He didn't KO Al "Blue" Lewis. He didn't KO Ted Gullick. Who did he KO to make you believe he was a bigger puncher than Frazier?

I'm sure he was a fine puncher. But saying it's ridiculous to believe Frazier hit harder makes no sense at all.

 

So ko percentages are the be all and end all? Joe Choynski whom Jeffries,Corbett,Fitzsimmons,Sharkey and Johnson named as the biggest puncher they faced had a % of48% Lew Jenkins a murderous punching lightweight % was 43% Ike Williams was 40%! Bob Satterfield's is44% Curtess Hatchet Man Sheppards 33%,Yvon Durelle ,who Moore said hit him harder than Marciano's is 43% Langford 50% . I could go on all night ,but that illustrates my point.

 

Neither Ron Lyle or Mac Foster ko'd an elite fighter,neither did Gerry Cooney ,Tommy Morrison, Bob Satterfield , or Razor Ruddock.You talk ****

 

Yeah, Cleveland Williams would bust his hands on Bob Fosters chin!lol

 

Look. We're having a discussion about who was the better puncher.

It's a thread about PUNCHING.

You can't point out anyone of note Williams actually knocked out, compared to the guys Frazier did.

You don't want to talk about KO percentages, because the other guys you mentioned all had low KO percentages. And Frazier has a higher KO percentage than Williams against better competition.

Head to head? When you look at their common opponents, Frazier knocked out more.

You seem to want to steer the "punching" discussion COMPLETELY AWAY from anything that has to do with punching.

There is NOTHING to show Williams hit harder than Frazier. Nothing.

Foreman mentioned Williams in passing in a David Letterman interview ... which you seem to cling to ... ignoring the fact Foreman still had close to another decade to go in his career. Who knows if Williams would still make his list.

Ali never mentioned Williams as one of the better punchers he ever fought, compared to the times he brought up Frazier's power.

The in-the-ring KOs against quality fighters doesn't support Williams. Common opponents stopped doesn't support Williams. All you've got is Williams' KOed more nobodies. But I'm sure I could find a nobody who KOed more nobodies than Williams did.

Believe what you want. But Frazier clearly hit harder.