You drive a hard bargain. I wouldn't characterize Joe's list of opponents as nobodies. He beat very good to great opposition along the way. His dominating performances against the good opponents provided more credence to his stature as a great. He has Hopkins and Eubanks....he also has Jones Jr. Albeit a past his prime legend, none the less an ATG at the end of the day. Biko and Lacy were very good opponents that he sliced through. Mario Viet was a very good win in dominating fashion. Jimenez another good win. Bryon Mitchell, Omar Shieka, Robin Reid....all great wins against very good world class fighters. Those names aren't remembered as much today simply because they weren't hall of fame guys but during that era they were top level guys. Carl Froch and Kovalev and even Ward will have the same issues when 10 years pass and the top guys they beat won't be remembered by the new fans of the sport. George Groves, Bute, Abraham, Direll, Pascal, Green, Miranda etc won't be names that make it to the Hall when it's all said and done....however, they will be good quality wins on their resumes
Appears not. You would know more about Calzaghes resume if you did know. No I didnt. I pointed out that for all of your rating of Froch. Kessler had beaten Froch when he was faded. Ward didnt beat the same Kessler. He beat a Kessler with eye problems that had already been beaten by Calzaghe, not the Kessler with an 0 See above.. LOL. No it isnt. Read my previous post again? Which was a better win than Wards over Froch. Froch was coming off a Mdec over a faded G Johnson whereas Lacy was an undefeated SMW world champ and Calzaghe completely dominated Bika, who Calzaghe beat before Ward and who would be one of Wards top wins Tell me how Dawson was a good SMW win? Tell me what was Dawsons big wins? You will look silly when you answer Calzaghe has wins over prime undefeated Kessler rather than faded Kessler Ward has Calzaghe beat Eubank who had far greater world title experience than Kovalev Calzaghe beat Hopkins who was a greater win than Froch. I dont think many would have favoured the Froch Ward beat to beat the Hopkins who beat Pascal Calzaghe beat several fighters who I would rate above SMW version of Dawson. Then you have all of the rest of the bulk of Calzaghes career and if you know the division will know it far outweighs as well as Calzaghe having the greater wins
So here you admit that Calzaghe has a greater SMW victory greater than any of Wards just here. Then note how Eubank was a better SMW win than Wards over Froch Lacy, Woodhall, Reid were all top SMWs to name just a few and prime
Dawson hasnt had any meaningful wins since losing to Ward and wasnt even a rated SMW but you rate that win. Lacy at SMW was a SMW world champ who had beaten world rated Tsypko, world rated Vanderpool, world rated Pemberton, Sheika and world rated Reid. Its a far greater SMW win than Dawson and arguable to Froch who had only one non debatable title fight at that time, as well as a loss and coming off a close fight with a faded boiled down fighter that Sheika beat when prime
why are you questioning that..when you rate Bika vs Calzaghe when bika had no wins at SMW? I think the answer is that a few pounds can be made allowances for when measuring quality. A very good MW will usually make at least a good SMW, if not very good, or better..consider kessler, anonymous at MW, unified champ at SMW.
I will note this post because the post you are replying to said the S6 and the 5 fights Ward had there was Wards coming out party which I agree with, so will start there and go with the nearest opposition Calzaghe had in 5 consistant fights. So below... Ward in the S6 fought Kessler suffering eye problems and already beaten by Calzaghe when prime Green who lost to Johnson, who lost to Sheika Calzaghe beat Bika who hadnt been overly active and already beaten by Calzaghe Abraham coming off 2 losses in the S6 Froch Ward was the home fighter in all of those fights and in California for 4 of them Calzaghe fought undefeated Lacy Bika Manfredo undefeated Kessler Hopkins Calzaghe was only in Wales for 2 of those fights I rate Calzaghes 5 fights alot higher Then move on to Dawson for Ward and it wasnt a top SMW win. What was Dawsons SMW pedigree? It wasnt as good a SMW win as Calzaghes over Mkertchyan in my opinion, let alone many other Calzaghe victories. Then you could mention Wards win over Kovalev and it is not better than Calzaghes over Eubank Add in all of the other SMWs Calzaghe beat that were world rated and either was, were or became SMW champs in Brewer, Reid, Woodhall, Veit and Mitchell as well as the other world rated wins and there is no disputing Calzaghes greater career
I believe this to be pretty-much true, but I nevertheless give Calzaghe Top Spot because he always sought out the fight, while Ward was always trying to stink-up the affaire and make it a "Not fight". Seriously,ward went too far and beyond a certain point "Stinking up a Fight" is not "pure Boxing" - it's just "Stinking up a Fight" (and Ward was the Master of Stink as a skunk is the master of his realm).
Who did Calzaghe beat that was worth a damn? Kessler.. Hopkins (faded fighter) and who? Bika has never and I mean NEVER beat a soul that's worth a damn. Eubanks lost his last 3 fights and was faded when Slappy beat him.. Jeff Lacy best win is.. Peter Manfredo? I mean are we serious here?
The fact you have mentioned only Calzaghes last 4 fights at SMW when he had already been successful in 18 other SMW world title fights, shows you do not know the division or Calzaghes career at all, even though you are passing comment. I can only guess you call yourself boxerfan13 to highlight your age and next year can be called boxerfan14. How was Eubank faded when Calzaghe beat him? Eubank did lose 2 fights after Calzaghe, but you would know that he put weights in his clothes to appear heavier and challenged a massive punching CW world champ and looked unfortunate to some not to get the decision after knocking the champ down and only lost the return on an injury when ahead. That same CW years later when past his best and faded beat undefeated D Haye who went on to become the unified CW champ and a HW champ. You rate Dawson as a decent win for Ward, yet Dawson was blasted out in a round in his fight after Ward which shows you to have double standards. Still you seem focused on Calzaghes last 4 fights at the weight due to lack of knowledge and possibly being too young to know the division. Had Calzaghe not had his last 4 fights at SMW which were Lacy, Bika, Manfredo and Kessler, he would still at SMW be rated above Ward with at that time having 17 successful defences, dominating for years, wins over Eubank, Reid, Brewer, Veit, Veit again, Woodhall, Mitchell who all were all world rated and had been were or became SMW title holders as well as wins over Starie, Mkertchyn, Sheika. Instead Calzaghe has 22 successful SMW title fights and won WBO WBC WBA IBF titles ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I notice you didnt answer this below I will note this post because the post you are replying to said the S6 and the 5 fights Ward had there was Wards coming out party which I agree with, so will start there and go with the nearest opposition Calzaghe had in 5 consistant fights. So below... Ward in the S6 fought Kessler suffering eye problems and already beaten by Calzaghe when prime Green who lost to Johnson, who lost to Sheika Calzaghe beat Bika who hadnt been overly active and already beaten by Calzaghe Abraham coming off 2 losses in the S6 Froch Ward was the home fighter in all of those fights and in California for 4 of them Calzaghe fought undefeated Lacy Bika Manfredo undefeated Kessler Hopkins Calzaghe was only in Wales for 2 of those fights I rate Calzaghes 5 fights alot higher Then move on to Dawson for Ward and it wasnt a top SMW win. What was Dawsons SMW pedigree? It wasnt as good a SMW win as Calzaghes over Mkertchyan in my opinion, let alone many other Calzaghe victories. Then you could mention Wards win over Kovalev and it is not better than Calzaghes over Eubank Add in all of the other SMWs Calzaghe beat that were world rated and either was, were or became SMW champs in Brewer, Reid, Woodhall, Veit and Mitchell as well as the other world rated wins and there is no disputing Calzaghes greater career
the fact that you ignored the blatantly obvious reason for the OP mentioning the last four fights of joe, exposes your failed agenda. the reason you " guess" that is becos you require a putdown to mask the failure of your point above. he'd won nothing of relevance for years, never did again, and was from another division and a late stand in. you are compring eubank, who won nothing and went on to win nothing in the yeard around the calzaghe fight..... with LINEAL LHW CHAMPION CHAD DAWSON. YOu FAIL again Failey. an ok win, and a good win/draw/loss the rest you mentioned are a waste of space, were injured or retiring. Do not bring them up again failey because your post looks fail enough already. which is good, but he didnt defend anything other than the wbo one, and a single ibf defence. Thats less than Barry McGuigan did in terms of feats. Joe took 11 years to Barry in just 2. which were ALL at home for calzaghe. WHAT A FLOP U JUST MADE, TRYING TO MAKE A POINT BUT PROVING THE REVERSE OF YOUR POINT! joe is british, from britain, and fought all those fights in britain. noone cares that you go against the facts, but you have a right too of course. OMFG! u utter nutjob, failey. I didnt think you could make a bad post look any worse...but you managed it! 11/10 for that!
that ones worth keeping as a signature " Myger Mkerchan was a better win than Dawson". You only get that magnitude of fail with Failey.
