Marciano's Body Frame could easily be Tua and Tyson

You don't think Rocky could possibly put on useful weight scientifically as Holyfield did so as to compete with bigger men?

 

Possibly putting on weight could be "useful". Or possibly useless. We don't know until he goes and does it. Yeah, it's definitely possible.

But depending who those bigger men are, he might compete with them with or without extra weight. Every match up is different. I'd confidently pick him at 185 pounds against a lot of bigger men, as would everyone I think.

It's still somewhat speculation with Holyfield too, and he actually went out and did it. We don't know how much of that extra weight helped, how much of it hindered. I never saw a 188 pound Holyfield or a 195 pound Holyfield up against those 220 pounders, so we don't know. Even some of his trainers have voiced scepticism over his obssession with bulking.

Holyfield was bigger framed than Marciano though. So Marciano might have had more to lose in effectiveness. Again, that's more speculation.

The point is: where does this all lead ? We're hypothetically "morphing" all these fighters, adjusting their weights and their shapes ... to what end ?

I can imagine having a 10 inch **** and using it effectively, but what's the point ? It's not reality LOL

 

Hahaha, fair enough mate.

 

I really do rate the 185 pound Marciano very highly though !

 

He certainly punched above his weight imo.

 

Marciano is not slow in the days where Joshua is considered fast. Compared to today’s HWs, Rocky would be a lightening bolt.

Arreola? He doesn’t have Rocky’s style, nor his heart, nor his IQ, or many other championship traits.

Only in Lalaland can James Toney gain 100lb and fight guys like Sam Peter no problemo. But Rocky can’t gain 20lb without being reduced to a B level fighter.

Is this logical, or is this a result of agenda pushing?

Rocky wasn’t allowed to eat an extra banana as a snack between meals. He was cut to he brim.

 

Huh?

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I already stated Marciano would likely turn pro at Light Heavy today. I dont even think Tyson would turn pro at Heavy today. Now days with day before weigh ins, so many divisions and opporrunties, you match your fighter against the smallest opponents you can get away with.

The bulk up talk was a hypothetical situation where if Marciano was to fight at Heavy in todays scene, how they would likely go about it.

My point to you was Marciano and his team did make weight adjustments in his time. Rocky cut more for some opponents and came in came heavier for others. His team wasnt stupid and Rocky isnt a magic fighter that has to be 187 or he loses all his ability.

 

It does depend on how he is matched. Like I said when Marciano faced Shkor, Lowey, and Wilson.

Shkor was 6'5 220 and known for his mauling, Rocky came in 190.

Lowry was 180 and known as a cutie..long night type he previously steuggled with, Rocky cut to 186.

Bill Wilson a 230 pound mauler, Rocky goes back up to 191.

 

Exactly.

Its like the modern cruiser division. Nobody comes in at 175 to 195 anymore, they are all at the limit and hydrating as high as 210 or even 215. Because everyone wants that extra advantage.

 

You stated that he would benefit being lighter in order to "chase" Charles. If this would not make him faster and more flexible, what would being lighter improve? Checkmate.

Almost 100 fights into a career makes him ancient. The fact that he didn't even go .500 afterward proves he was ancient.

So, gaining weight makes you faster? I never came across this realization in any sport. Please explain your thoughts on this breakthrough.

There is speculation that is logic based and that which is purely fantastical and opposes much of what we know to be true.

What is not speculation is that better boxing minds considered 185-190 to be Marciano's optimal range in a division that was unlimited.

 

Tony Bellew has fought at 175, 200 and 200+.
RING magazine even has him in their HW top 10 right now ..... LOL

 

People talk about a 185lb Marciano like he was a waddling fat penguin, who couldn't possible gain 2 more pounds.

The anti Marcianists will turn the whole world dumb just to convince us that he's be a cripple if he ate a few meals at McDonalds.