Marciano's Body Frame could easily be Tua and Tyson

Tua's best performances... Ruiz, Maskaev, Ike and Rahman were all within a 2 pounds of 225.

 

I think that Rocky today would be smaller than Tyson and Tua, but bigger than he was in his own day.

I suspect that he would pass the 200lb barrier, even while he was fighting at cruiserweight, and that he would simply stop draining when he fought at heavyweight.

 

The two losses when he fought twice in 40 days?
Using those loose guidelines, he was also .500 at a much earlier time in his career as well.

 

Great, but he went up to 250lb and still won.

 

And he lost against the best @ 245. Just like Marciano likely would at 210.

My point being that each mature fighter has his window... And its not very wide.

 

You have to get past weight. How much better was Carnera and Simon for all their extra weight?

 

His first loss was against Ike, when he weighed 225lb.

He went the distance with Lewis at 245lb.
And lost to Byrd at 235lb.

I see no correlation between his weight increase and bad performances. Isn’t weight supposed to help these fighters in the HW division?

Every fighter has his limit. Marciano just seems to be magically narrow in this regard, and for some reason it’s generally his detractors that hold this view. So....

 

True. At the same time, popular polls differ from the day to day here.

 

Tell me I am wrong then.

 

Best "performances" not best "beating taken".

His performance versus Ike was far better than the extended drubbing he took at the hands of Lewis.

 

And then scored one of his most impressive KOs at the same weight...

 

That fight with Ike was a load of horse sh!t. Two young guys, same level, too close to each other to put in full impact. If you knew about boxing you would know the difference. Two guys compromising space, sacrificing quality for quantity.

Both were novice pros. Yes, entertaining. But it bore no relation to ATG legitimacy. It was just a coming of age, learning process type of deal. It embarrasses me to think anyone thinks this bout was some kind of superheavyweight hallmark. It was only a learning fight between novice pros.

 

A one puncher (right hand oddly) against stale Moorer... yeah, the punch never goes. And sure, a fat Rocky at 215 could certainly KO a top level heavy in the first with the correct punch. But would you really bet on him to do it everytime... before the extra weight started to drag on him and made him so much more susceptible to the other guy's offense? Again, he came in at 190 or below because that was his optimal fighting weight for consistency in any type of fight. Tua at 245 had the Moorer result but also had no explosion or gap cutting speed against Lewis or Rahman at that weight. He was 20 pounds outside his optimal window.

 

Firstly, I stated it was one of Tua's best performanes not some ATG hallmark of heavies. However, it was an incredible physical demonstration of action and output.

Secondly, are you going to make me sit through Baer-Braddock and regale me how this was some apogee of heavyweight excellence?

 

No, he wasn't. lol

He was 12-3 after one of the most brutal 16 month runs of all time.