Does anyone at 160 today stand a chance against a prime Roy Jones jr?

I don't care.

We're not looking at his MW ranking.

We're looking at his H2H abilities.


We can put forward an educated opinion of how Roy may have done against past/current MW's, based on more than just the 2 fights we saw against Tate and Hopkins. To argue against that would be foolish.

 

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Paragraphs are your friend CHIEF! And it’s very obvious that I make you angry because I bring your dumbass hypocrisy into the light among other things You’re trash and you always have been on here. You’re not even good at what you’re obviously trying to be! Lol SMH When you feel threatened... the angry 10 separate sentence retorts start to FLOW


These emoji’s bother the **** out of you don’t they?? You always seem mention them! Lol Good to know

Loudon

Your likes to post ratio

 

There you go.

All it took was 5 mins to confirm what I'd written.

Emojis don't bother me.

They're helpful. Because they tell me all I need to know about the person using them.

You hide behind them and use them as default answers.

It'll be a sad day for you if they get removed.


There's really no need to take this nonsense any further.

 

He likely was high, most of these guys are.

From Hopkins to Tate is a full year, his most relevant year at 160. And he was coming at 180 for these fights. So it's perfectly logical to match him with Spinks and Dempsey.

Lots of fighters look invincible when they are outweighing their opponent by 15 pounds or more. If Jones had that advantage as he claimed and he wasn't dominating, something would be seriously wrong.

 

Now we're getting somewhere.

So, it's OK to extrapolate H2H abilities, even if the level of competition isn't the greatest and the top end wins aren't there. I don't see anything wrong with that stance.

The million dollar question is, then, why does it bug you so much when people do this with GGG if it's foolish to do otherwise when it comes to Roy?

 

You haven’t answered the original question dildo. Who did your boy Roy fight at 160 who had the power, chin and skill of GGG?? I mean you act like it’s sooo asinine to be of the opinion that GGG beats him... so what’s your reasoning for jumping on anybody’s case that thinks that way??


Oh almost forgot! Loudon

 

He wasn't coming in at 180 for all of those fights. And even if he was, he wouldn't have outweighed all of his opposition by 15 plus pounds. We haven't had same day weigh-ins for years. Almost all of Roy's opposition/if not all of them, who weighed in at 160, would all have weighed significantly more than that on fight night.

Michael Spinks used to train down from around 200 pounds to make 175.

Jack Dempsey was a 6'1 HW, who regularly weighed 185-192 pounds in the days of same day weigh-ins. Jack was naturally well over that weight when not trained. So what on earth are you talking about? How would GG fighting Roy, be akin to Roy having fought a HW in Jack Dempsey?

Canelo has been known to weigh 170 plus on fight night. So give me another example using that weight.

You have clearly got carried away in trying to make your point.

 

Extrapolating?

He showed the exact same attributes from 154-200 pounds.

Again, we're looking at a H2H match up.

Under different circumstances, Roy would have had more fights at MW, against better competition.


The only posts that bug me, are the ones that are completely ignorant with no thought behind them.

Such as:

"GG would have beaten Roy, because Tarver did and GG's better"

"GG would have wrecked him"


Put forward an educated opinion of how/why you think GG could/would have beaten him, and I will have no issue, even if I don't agree.


You should have no issue with anyone looking beyond his fights against Tate and Hopkins, when trying to compile evidence to put forward a theory.

 

As always, you only see what you want to see.

I don't have a problem with people putting forward an educated opinion of how GG may have beaten him.

I only have an issue with ignorant statements with no substance.

GG would have been very tough for Roy. He has great attributes. Roy didn't do a lot at MW. Specifically at MW, Roy didn't fight guys who possessed GG's attributes. But at other weights, he fought guys who were bigger, more powerful, and technically just as good/better.

So far, we can only judge GG on what he's done at MW. He's obviously never fought beyond that.

Now who has GG fought at MW who was on Roy's level?

He's scraped by Danny Jacobs, and he's just had a competitive fight with a small MW, who used to be a JMW. A JMW who arguably lost to Lara. In time, Canelo may prove to be a great MW. But as yet, he's done nothing apart from giving a great account of himself against GG.

As great as he is, GG has mostly beaten B class fighters, and he's shown that he's easy to hit. Yet we've got guys here saying that he'd have wrecked Roy?

How so?

How does a guy who goes 12 rounds with Jacobs and Canelo, wreck a guy who was superior to them?

Enlighten me.

 

RJJ made Lightweights look slow in comparison

 

Yeah, in some he was even heavier.

Hopkins was 164 to Jones' 180. Jones was ahead of the curve. To this day, 180 is still heavy for MW. He would be second only to Jacobs.

Yep, MW Jones would have a 5 pound edge on Spinks..he'll need it.

What's wrong, Jones is so great he can't handle a guy with an inch of height and a few extra pounds? I thought he was the conqueror of John Ruiz.

 

That's because you don't want to since it strengthens Roys case for a win here and you don't want him to win , you want Golovkin to win.

I don't give reverse credit ?? Who the hell says this type of garbage? Pac being a great fighter allowed him to move up through the weights and beat Diaz , Hatton , Cotto etc.
He didn't get better because he moved up in weight and added extra pounds , he had the same skills at 130 as he had at 135 , 140 , 147.
Its a testament to both Roys and Pac's skills that they were able to move up and beat bigger guys. Its a skills issue , not a weight issue. Golovkins style and skill level wouldn't serve him well at higher weights and that why you are trying to diminish Roy's achievements at higher weights.

I don't give reverse credit.. Then how did Jones win the HW title weighting under the cruiser weight limit?

Sure , lets compare beating Atg Hopkins who didn't lose another fight for 13 years to Proska who hasn't been seen since after losing to Sergio Mora and Maciej Sulecki.

 

If you think 93 Hopkins was an ATG, there's no point talking about the rest, which is, of course, nonsense.

About as insane as suggesting Roy was the exact same fighter over a range of 46 lbs and an entire career. The concept of a career arc, weight affecting a fighter, and the value of experience are entirely lost on you. Pac-Singsurat couldn't happen in your universe.

Even Pac fans don't pretend him destroying Hatton meant anything for lighter weights. They don't need to, because the chops are there as far as resume in other divisions. Who cares if he wasn't an ATG flyweight when he's got great runs at 130?

Roy fan boys are so insecure they've got to count wins in divisions where they didn't happen to prop the resume up in lighter classes because they know the great wins aren't there. That's how the Hopkins win has gotten so overrated over time. The man had zero wins vs rated contenders, and right after, was getting floored vs Mercado, who he needed two tries to beat. Yet, hes an ATG at that point. No, he didn't learn from losses and grow into being an ATG. Hopkins must have been an ATG all along, because that makes Roy look better.

That insecurity is also why the PED issue is minimized, because nobody with a rational brain would assume someone who failed their first PED test only started using for the first time prior to that fight.

Just desparation and mental gymnastics. And it's not about GGG at this point. I've seen that Kool aid being guzzled like "Ripped Fuel" in fantasy matchups vs Hagler, Monzon, and other ATG's at 160.

I dont care if Roy fans pick him in fights, but it's the twisting of how they pick him that annoys the **** out if me. "But Hopkins is an ATG, doe!!" Yeah, he is. You know when he wasn't? In 19freaking93! "He's the most naturally gifted fighter ever!!" Yeah, he was gifted, and he maxed that out with some of the best "natural gifts" money could buy.

"Dude beat Ruiz, no MW can cope!" Yeah, and Adamek bouncing Cunningham off the campus helped him vs Dawson 20 lbs lighter

 

Don't favor RJJ in a lot of H2H fights because of:

1. His Glass Jaw

2. Having no Plan B in a fight when things aren't going his way

3. He isn't as battle tested because he was reluctant to make the big fights to test himself

Jones had a lot of hometown and handpicked fights against opponents that gave little resistance. This was not by accident it was by design. Jones didn't test himself like say a SRR, SRL, Hearns, or Hagler. He was too reluctant to make the big fights for one reason or another. I think we all know why.