Evander Holyfield: I'd tear Joe Louis Up

I don't see it to be honest.

Louis was as good at counter punching and infighting as any heavyweight I have ever seen, and the disparity in power alone would make it hard for Holyfield to hang with him on the inside.

I certainly don't see much happiness for Holyfield in trying this tactic.

 

Oh, you mean Justin Gatlin peaking at 35 in the 100 meters isn't normal?

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Then it should be easy... please tell me which fights he was exhibiting the inside fighting I'm referenced in my post. I'm not saying he never through combos on the inside, but what I am saying, he didn't do it with the precision, movement and combinations Holyfield did.

Next, what about counterpunching, which you said Louis was as good at, and I don't feel that way at all. I'm also confused on why you said Louis wasn't a plodder, when he absolutely was. That isn't a bad thing per se, as it can work just fine when done right. That doesn't change the fact, that movement was one of Louis weaknesses. Movers bothered Louis, and he wasn't much of a mover at all. So you're saying he didn't plod forward behind the jab? The way you make it seem, he was on his toes darting in and out of there or waiting for somebody to come to him. Neither of which are true. He was more often the not, the one always moving forward, not the one waiting for somebody to come to him. So which at you saying was how he typically fought? The best counterpuncher he faced was likely Walcott, and that was a big struggle for him, and he certainly didn't out counter Walcott. Again, he was the one plodding forward, not waiting for Walcott to come to him and counter. This was often the case was it not?

 

I don't know how he'd fight him per se, I'm only commenting that you said Louis did everything better than Holyfield, and I don't agree with that assessment, and I listed just two areas I feel like Holyfield is his superior at. Doesn't mean he'd fight him there or that way, we're only talking about who was better at what.

 

I'd give you a solid chance, but my pick would be Johnson TKO-6...

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You have picked two things that Louis is renowned for here.

I am somewhat surprised at your choices to be honest.

Hasn't Holyfield effectively told us what he would do?

Apparently he is going to go after Louis and try to tear him apart.

Louis would probably think that all of his Christmases had come at once!

 

No bud, me talking about him "plodding forward", and you said he didn't, that is the only thing I'm talking about there. I'm not saying you can't be a counter puncher while coming forward. I was saying, I referenced him often times plodding forward, and you said he didn't.

I agree with your assessment about his precision and combinations, I have no argument there. However, we were SPECIFICALLY talking about this in reference to inside fighting. He didn't fight on the inside with the fluidity and movement that Holyfield did, while throwing combos while using such movement. No, Louis didn't fight that way on the inside. He absolutely threw text book bombs with precision, but it wasn't during inside fighting exchanges, while also showcasing his head and body movement while doing so. Again, Holyfield was simply better at inside fighting that Louis. You can say, well Louis hurt people more, so that is why he didn't exhibit what I'm saying as much. Okay, probably right, but then, we can't exactly claim he's better at something he didn't exhibit as much. If somebody doesn't throw as many right crosses as another because he doesn't need to because of his jab and hook, do we then say he's just as good of a right crosser, he just doesn't need to do it as much? That's a little too big of a leap for me.

 

Thx JAKE. AWESOME

 

yes i was confused too when it said 9.77. But even so, if Owens would have been one stride behind Bolt in Moscow that is still very fast, no?

 

Always loves Holyfield.....Joe Louis...second Schmeling fight...June 22, 1938...say 'Goodnight" Evander...

 

Agree here, if Holyfield just charged in for a war, I don't think it would go to well. Louis would likely KO him. Just like I don't believe if Louis let Holyfield move and box, I think it would be a long night for Joe.

 

The same guys predicting a blowout loss for Holyfield are probably the same guys who predicted just that when he fought Tyson, it just ain't happening gents.

 

There might be a cautionary note there, but I have to stand on my prediction based on what I know.

 

You’d be crazy not to let this cross your mind.

Then again, Tyson really almost had Holyfield out with the first punch of the fight. I guess these dynamics are what makes these topics timeless.