Does anyone at 160 today stand a chance against a prime Roy Jones jr?

Are you talking the G of today or a prime G? Prime for prime Jone/G fight is beyond a great match up! G ring cutting skills against Jone's akward movement and speed. Can G's timing be enough to negate Jone's speed?. What if G get Jones on the ropes? As we saw later in Jones's career, he fights terrible off the ropes! This is a great fight!

 

I see , lets call Hopkins '93 Hopkins' , that way we don't have to give Roy any credit for the win despite the fact Hopkins went unbeaten for 13 years after the loss.
Hindsight is your friend , maybe Hop wasn't regarded as an ATG in 93 , but we can obviously look back now and see that he was by what he went on to achieve. He didn't pick up any loss to inferior comp soon after to nullify the win so the fact remains that Roy beat an ATG in Hopkins.

Nobody ever suggested Roy was the same fighter over his entire career , what the hell are you talking about? His best years are so far removed from his cruiser weight days that they are barely the same person.
You wanna argue that his talent at higher weights doesn't reflect his talent at 160. Thats really insane , but its mainly just bitterness that Roy has a great win at the weight and Golovkin doesn't.
Jones blitzed through 168 and 175 in his prime on the same skills and attributes that he blitzed through 160 on.
He would have looked greater and more impressive had he stayed at 160/168 but he strived to seek out challenges. Hopkins on the other hand stayed at 160 and was never interested in the rematch until Roy was shot to bits.

Pac-Singsurat isn't a valid comparison. What does that fight prove? Manny was still a kid living in the Philippines when he lost that fight. He won the rematch by 4th round stoppage after moving to the US and hooking up with Roach.
Fashen 4k Battery isn't an atg and would loose to Roach era Manny 9/10. That fight just isn't comparable to Jones vs Hopkins and there isn't anything to suggest Hopkins would stop Jones in 4 rounds or even beat him in the following years. Hopkins certainly wasn't that keen on finding out.
The fact is that Roys skills and attributes transitioned to higher weights and the same is true vise a versa. Its entirely possible that he would have looked even better had he stayed at 160. Golovkin on the other hand would not look as good at 168/175. He could barely beat a solidly built MW such as Jacobs.

 

Jones wss CAUGHT ONCE!! Only caught because his opponent spilled the beans in an interview. The tests had already been swept under the carpet by corruption Jones was exposed as a Peds cheat. Justice was served except he was let off scott free.
Ped's cheats do NOT belong in the HOF

 

I don't think RJJ was that impressive when he was MW. So I gotta pick Golovkin with this one.

 

Not no but hell no. He would terrorize the division today.

 

Who in the hell has ggg beat that leads you to believe he would beat rjj? Canelo at times made him look like an amateur rjj would have embarrassed him.

 

Ggg couldn't end lesser fighters career ggg wouldn't win a round against rjj. Rjj is a stylistic nightmare for ggg log off you wishful thinking fool. There's levels to this game and rjj operates on a much higher level than ggg.

 

This is an outstanding post.

Yes, Roy went through the SMW and LHW divisions, with the EXACT same attributes that he possessed at MW.

Sure, he doesn't have a great resume at MW. But like you've noted, that was just due to circumstances.

This debate is not focusing on Roy's all time MW ranking.

It's focusing on his H2H abilities at the weight.

Which means that you can look at fights beyond Tate and Bernard, to gauge what GG would have been up against.

You can look at the Malinga and Toney fights etc.

He fought Toney the same year as Tate.

If he'd have stayed at MW, he'd have looked even better than what we saw. Because he'd have been that bit faster, fighting smaller opponents than what he fought against at SMW and LHW.

 

Of course he was impressive. If you saw him that is. He just didn't do anything spectacular due to his circumstances.

He only started getting named fighters in 1992, and then he moved up to fight Toney in 1994.

You can't choose GG just because you're more familiar with him.

This is looking at a H2H fight, not where they rank at the weight.

 

Put the rod away.

GG's a great fighter. But we don't know how he'd have fared after 50 fights, moving up and down in weight.

People are already claiming he's on the decline.

Everyone's circumstances are different.

If Roy could have stayed at MW and followed GG's exact timeline, we may not have seen him get beat at 35.

 

What are you talking about?

How would Roy fighting Jack Dempsey be akin to GG fighting Roy?

How is Roy practically the same size as Jack?

You are talking utter nonsense.

 

VADA?

 

Again, it's not about propping up a resume.

We know his MW resume is thin.

It doesn't matter.

Again, we're looking here at a H2H fight.

It's incredibly weak to question Roy's abilities as a MW, solely based on his fights against Hopkins and Tate.

Again, he possessed the exact same attributes against Toney etc.

Again, he fought Tate and Toney in the same year.


Playing down Roy's chances of beating GG based on where Tate and Bernard were ranked is just silly.

Why don't you look beyond where the guys were ranked at the time Roy fought them? Because that means nothing. You can't compare stats from different eras. Lemiuex is probably a top 5 MW today. But in 1993, he may not have been. Likewise, although Bernard wasn't highly rated in 1993, he may have been in this current era.

You need to focus on the fact that although Bernard wasn't the fighter he was in say 2001, he was still a very good fighter. Now are Jacobs and Canelo better MW's than that 93 version of Bernard? How would that version of Bernard have done today? They are great questions to ponder. Also, Roy had a fractured hand, yet he still won comfortably. More comfortably than the scores suggested. Tate was a decent fighter. He went 12 with Jackson. Yet Roy iced him in under 6 mins, and he was the only person to knock him out in his entire career. He also knocked out a tough fighter in Malinga before he fought Tate. Malinga gave Benn and Eubank hard nights, and he beat Reid.

 

How did a glass jawed former JMW manage to go 49-1, across 5 divisions, having beaten: Hopkins, Toney, Hill, Johnson, Ruiz and Tarver etc?

He must have been quite decent.

He sure did well to protect that glass.

 

Steroids helped Jones move up multiple weight classes.