Does anyone at 160 today stand a chance against a prime Roy Jones jr?

GG is a great fighter. But Roy's speed would have been an absolute nightmare for him.

I'm high on GG, but go and take another look at the Brook fight. I watched it again the other day. Look at some of the shots that Kell caught him with. He couldn't deal with his hand speed, until he was able to break him down.

It's okay saying he broke his eye socket and he didn't respect his power. That's fine. But he didn't let Kell land those shots to psyche him out. Those shots landed because GG couldn't prevent them from landing.


Kell has a 69" reach.

Roy has a 74" reach, and he was faster with one punch knockout power.


This is Roy at LHW, weighing around 181 pounds:

https://imgur.com/gallery/dkADuyL


Roy would have been a heavy favourite.

 

I don't condone PEDS. All I'm saying, is that it's speculation to say what he took and how long for, and he past 4 random tests after that.

He also didn't duck tough challenges.

 

It was all due to the "Royds"

He bought a huge batch from Christopher Reeve back in the early 80's.

 

“PED’s did not give Jones his handspeed.” -Loudon 2017

 

I would make Roy Jones the favorite based on in ring accomplishments and his unique skills. But I have not seen Roy Jones beat a great pressure fighter before. Hopkins is a spoiler (dude's straight boring), and Toney is a classic boxer-puncher. Styles makes fights. Toney was an easy style fight for Jones. Hopkins was more difficult, but Jones still won clear. GGG was a pressure machine.

If GGG begins to walk through Jones Jr. And that's a big if, but if he does then Jones Jr. is going to be in a world of trouble. If GGG ends up walking though Jones' power then I can only imagine the fight ending with Jones on his back.

 

You're seriously going to go there again?

Have a bit of respect for yourself.

 

Styles makes fights. Why did Ali lose and go life and death with Norton and Frazier, while Foreman could have blasted out both in one night and then beat anybody else in the world not named Ali all in the same night?

GGG is pressure. Roy Jones is not iron chinned.

 

It would have been a HUGE if.

 

What roy tested positive for was being sold in several over th counter supplements at that time, was legal in the US and was tested for by the Indiana STATE comission but NOT banned by any of the sanctioning bodies who's titles roy held. Which is why he wasnt punished. NOT because something was "swept under the rug". Roys opponent, richard hall, happened to test positive for the exact same substance in the same fight as well.

 

Sure, styles make fights. But what a horrible match up for GG.

Roy had a huge advantage in speed.

He had a reach advantage.

He was much harder to hit.

Everyone has a stylistic nemesis.

I take your point on board regarding Ali and Frazier. But it doesn't bode well for a smaller guy who's easy to hit, and who can't match Roy for speed.

Roy could have pot shotted him and evaded his shots. GG would never have gotten as close to Roy, as what Frazier did with Ali. I would have loved to have seen Ali from 67 fight Frazier. That would have been interesting.

I think 2 of the toughest match ups for Roy at MW, would have been against McCallum and Nunn. Especially Nunn. He had the reach, the speed, the southpaw stance etc. GG has power and pressure, but I just think Roy would have worn him down.

 

GGG is easy to hit, but he's also extremely good at hitting his opponent. I have no doubt that Jones Jr. would have landed on GGG. I'm more interested in how does GGG take the power? GGG does 3 things exceptionally well. That's take punches, punch hard and cut the ring off. Those are 3 things that he could use to possibly exploit Jones and KO him. Speed is good. The more the better. But speed begins to lose it's value when the opponent cuts off the ring because a boxing ring is only so wide and so long. Eventually you can't go backwards anymore or side to side without hitting the ropes.

 

I remember when Jones Jr. was the commenter for GGG-Monroe Jr. He kept harping on Monroe needs to throw hard punches to get GGG to back off. Otherwise GGG would walk in with ease and get the easy KO. Which is what happened.

Perhaps that gives us a little insight as to how Jones Jr. would have fought GGG.

 

Who's he been cutting the ring off against?

He's never faced anyone like Roy.

I couldn't rule out GG completely, but he just takes too many shots for me.

Could he even have landed anything significant on Roy?

He has a 70" reach.

He doesn't have great hand speed.

Roy had great unorthadox reflexes.

Roy's a smart guy. He'd have had great respect for GG and he'd have done his homework.

Also, as tough as GG is, we don't know yet how he'd cope with being repeatedly tagged.

A few years ago, this board was flooded with Kovalev vs Roy threads. I'm sure you saw them. We had bold predictions of how he'd have crushed Roy and walked through his power etc. And I told everyone at the time, that although he obviously had the power to take Roy out, we didn't know how he'd react himself in adversity. And Andre Ward has just answered those questions, despite the controversy. He was supposed to crush Andre who hit like a girl etc. But we found out that he was a bully who could give it but not take it. He was built up as the Terminator by many on here, yet in the rematch, he was desperately looking at Weeks for salvation. Andre beat him both physically and mentally. In the end, he had nothing left to give. Which tells me that if Roy had've put it on him, he'd have been demoralised. Now I'm not saying GG has that same mindset, but we don't know for sure. He's bashing people up, and he looks great with no fear. But we don't know how he'd react mentally, if he was getting pot shotted and marked up. We just don't. We don't know whether he'd have waved Roy forward, or whether he'd have covered up in a defensive shell.

At the end of the day: he's easy to hit, he's smaller than Roy, he isn't as quick, and as great as he looks, he's still yet to have an easy win over a very good/great fighter.

He could never have been favoured over Roy.

Again, Roy's nemesis at MW was Nunn. A slick southpaw with great reflexes, and who possessed a 77" reach.

 

“The steroids jones took did not increase his athleticism.” - Loudon 2017.

 

If you want to act like a fool, be my guest.

Do you think there's only you who's read my posts?

Anyone following the threads can see what's happening.

Just keeping digging that hole. As the hole gets deeper, the more respect you lose.