Oscar: I want to make Canelo vs GGG rematch, but Lemieux is another option.

Hahaha superb work by Oscar, if Saunders does beat Lemieux then he'll target Saunders, he'll say "if Canelo can get the WBO belt then we can fight Golovkin for ALL of them, it makes it even bigger".

Oscar is just doing the early groundwork for not making the rematch, he knows Canelo got beat, he knows deep down Canelo can't beat Golovkin any time soon.

Also it has to be remembered there was a lot of people upset Golovkin didn't get the decision and there was outrage at the 118-110 Canelo card, so the selection of judges and referee for the rematch will have to be a little more transparent.

There will be so many people watching those selections and scrutinising every judge and scrutinising the referee, Oscar don't need that in his life.

Also there will be a feeling of "Golovkin should get justice", its natural, Lennox Lewis was robbed in the first fight against Holyfield, he was never losing that rematch on the cards as long as he stayed on his feet, never losing.

They need to put a lot of distance between the first fight, they know eyes will be all over it and Canelo might not get his usual "favours".

 

Watch it in slomo. Lots of Canelo's flashy stuff got picked off by GGG's arm across the body or Golovkin's gloves. I concede Canelo is a better defensive fighter, but Golovkin is close to that level; it's just that his work is much more subtle.

 

Great post.

 

Canelo was beaten, Canelo himself knows deep down he was beaten, you know he was beaten, I know he was beaten, the vast majority of boxing fans know he was beaten.

You obviously didn't watch the fight, if you did you are ridiculously bias, if you think Canelo was boxing on the back foot and setting traps like some sort of boxing genius then you don't know wtf you were watching.

Canelo didn't engage, he didn't do enough work off the back foot, he was outboxed, outworked and pressured for large parts of that fight and let's be honest if you're a Mexican then you would probably regard what Canelo did as "running".

I saw your posts on the fight and you got it wrong.

 

I agree. Even the Mexicans are panning Canelo.

""[Canelo] always fights with an advantage; he's always making excuses and imposing his conditions," says the anonymous bearer of a Mexican flag emblazoned with the words "Mexicans for Golovkin." The fan waves his flag just a few feet away from the ring."

http://www.insidehboboxing.com/insi...inside-the-minds-of-the-mexicans-for-golovkin

"‘Canelo was under pressure from his own people to take the first fight and given the macho nature of his country he will be again,’ Loeffler said. ‘The culture is that Mexicans don’t run. And never before have we heard Canelo booed the way he was by his own Mexican fans in Vegas after the draw was announced.’"

http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/27/genna...nfident-canelo-alvarez-wants-rematch-6959004/

 

Wow lol so basically you're saying that you want G and his promoter to hand pick judges so that all G has to do is last 12 rounds and he'll win a decision. You know what, why don't we just do away with judges altogether and announce before the fight that Gennady wins if it goes the distance even if he gets beaten to a pulp. Would that be fair to you?

The level of delusion of some of you G fans is hilarious. It's like you feel entitled in regard to Gennady Golovkin, and think that all Gennady Golovkin has to do is show up and last 12 rounds and he should be just handed a decision victory.

I mean lets be honest, you and your fellow G fans have been crying about the judging before the fight even happened, you've been crying about the decision since the fight happen, you've been screaming robbery. And by the way, I don't seem to remember anybody before the fight mentioning Adelaide Byrd by name as somebody who you were worried about. It wasn't until her card was announced that you were up in arms with her as a judge.

I mean just face it, any judge who has Canelo winning, any judge who has Canelo winning convincingly in the rematch, you're going to throw a temper tantrum about. It just comes off as incredibly immature and to be constantly paranoid and complaining about who the judges are. We get it, you think Gennady won. But you've deluded yourself to a point where you can't be taken seriously. I mean, I admit I'm a Canelo fan, but I'm also grounded and unbiased enough to know a close fight when I see one, to not let my fandom affect my ability to see the bout for what it was. However, that's not the case for you and many other Triple G fans.

 

Oh my, there was a Mexican who was cheering for Golovkin. By the way, what "conditions" did Canelo impose on Golovkin? Fight was at 160, Canelo didn't try to drain him to a catchweight, did he? Canelo was announced first in the ring, Golovkin 2nd, like G wanted. Did Canelo make G wear his brand of gloves or something? I'm really dying to know what conditions did Canelo impose on Golovkin.

Well the first part of this is absolutely true. He was under pressure from his own people to take the fight. So was Golovkin. Everybody wanted to see the fight.

No doubt about it that Canelo retreated in the middle rounds more than usual, but I know another famous Mexican that retreated a lot in his career, and his name was Erik Morales. Has anyone ever accused Morales of "running"?

You can't accuse Canelo of not coming to fight, the guy is a warrior, he landed some bombs on Triple G. He fought a smart fight, and made several adjustments during the bout, and the movement did frustrate Triple G at times. Triple G obviously wants you to stand in front and get into a slugfest, but when you have the speed and skills that Canelo has, it's smart to utilize his counter punching tactics, since he can do things that Triple G can't do.

The booing in the post fight interview obviously came from the Gennady Golovkin fans. We've never heard Canelo booed before because he's never had a rival like Gennady Golovkin that has produced such a heated rivalry. It's no surprise that fans booed the draw because they wanted to see a winner. Trying to spin that into Canelo's own fans booing him is so incredibly delusional lmao. But then again, the fans saying that are the same people who don't even think the fight was close, so I mean, they'll make up anything as long as it sounds good. Call it passion, call it blind fandom, but it makes for a great rivalry.

 

The thing is Canelo wasn't winning rounds of flurries. He was winning rounds based off clean effective punching. He landed the far more telling and effective punches, while GGG was just landing more but not as effective punches. I predicted the fight almost perfectly, the only part I got wrong was GGG not being successful on the ropes. I knew Canelo would go to the ropes and that's where I predicted his downfall, Canelo was the taunting the man with his hands down laying on the ropes and GGG was terrified to throw a punch. Now I still do think GGG won still but it was a close fight, if Canelo had GGG's stamina he would win this fight with ease. Dude's downfall is his stamina, he really did move and slip GGG's punches beautifully. I always thought of Canelo's defense kind of like Toney's where he stands in the pocket and counters and uses great head movement, but he boxed beautifully off the backfoot too bad he couldn't sustain it and needed to rest.

 

Because we called the dodgy decision before it even happened Actually I fully expected GGG to get the big shaft up the rectum if it went the distance. He should consider himself lucky he still has his belts.

 

Vegas judges. Say no more.

Except that it's true. Virtually the entire arena was pro Canelo, and the fact is that the cheers or boos reflect that opinion.

 

if im ggg, i would skip canelo adn take winner of limi and billy

 

^ Good post by Ellerbe.

 

He knows his cash cow got away with the draw thanks to corruption.. He wont risk Canelo losing AGAIN... And this time worst.. GGG can be 40 and still fk him up.. So that leaves GGG's left overs..

This would be the biggest duck move by a promoter.. And obviously Canelo does not want to fight GGG again.. You could see it in his eyes he was a defeated man... I hope Lemi loses to BJS lol.. then who are they going to pick??

 

LOL Canelo "imposed" the Vegas judges on Golovkin as a "condition" to fight him? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? Judges are apointed by the NSAC, not by fighters or promoters. You saying that just not only sounds ridiculous, but shows that Canelo didn't impose any conditions on Golovkin.

Virtually the entire arena was pro Canelo, and what you're saying is that during the fight, all the Canelo fans became so inspired by Golovkin's performance, that they decided "ya know I'm going to stop being a Canelo fan anymore, I'm gonna start cheering for Golovkin, and not only that, now I'm gonna start booing Canelo".

So basically this was kinda like Rocky vs Ivan Drago, where the Russians decided to cheer Rocky? But only worse, I mean at least the Russians weren't Booing their own fighter.

I mean, you really believe this stuff don't you. My question to you is simply this : in all seriousness, how can you tell simply from hearing some boos while watching it on TV, exactly how many hundreds or thousands of people are booing?

I mean if a hundred people are booing, vs tens of thousands of people booing, how you can actually tell that from just hearing boos on TV? All you heard were some boos. Even if the majority of the crowd was pro-Canelo, still a rowdy couple hundred of die hard Golovkin supports could have been booing and it would sound loud. There's no way that you can determine exactly who was booing, exactly how many poeple were booing, and exactly if the people booing were Canelo fans. There's simply no way for you to make that determination from hearing what sounded like a group of people booing during that post fight interview.

Just ask yourself, why would Canelo's own fans boo him? This is the epitome of delusional to believe something like that. What about the fans that were cheering Golovkin during the post fight interview when he gave a shout out to his Kazakhstan fans? Were those the recently converted Canelo fans cheering Golovkin there as well?

 

A 'cuck' and 'snowflake' are common insults used on far lefties who can't handle free thought. You just insulted me over difference of opinion. So which is it , are you a cuck , or do you just not know the the implications of the term you throw around here on a daily basis?