Oscar: I want to make Canelo vs GGG rematch, but Lemieux is another option.

He couldn't fk him up at 35 , what makes you think he could at 40?

 

People like you see what you want to see. There was never any talk of GGG being faded going into his fight with Jacobs who was seen as chinny and supposed to be easy work. After the fight the excuses rolled in Jacobs was a CW, Jacobs didn't test, GGG is shot. GGG hit Jacobs with flush power shots and they didn't really seem to bother Jacobs that much. Fast forward to his fight with Canelo another guy who he was suppose to destroy. Again he hit Canelo flush with big power shots and Canelo took them like nothing. Sure timing and speed can go first, I'd argue legs, but he was still landing flush with power on these two guys and didn't destroy them with his so called world ended power like he did to everyone else he faced before them.

There could be 3 reasons for this. 1. could be that his power was overrated from the jump. 2. he started to face better competition in his last two fights and they can take his power while others couldn't. 3. he was on the juice and stopped and his power fell off. I don't believe for one second that his power was affected by his loss of speed because he was never a fast guy in the first place. I don't believe it was due to timing because he was still able to hit these guys and he was able to throw over 330 power shots on Canelo and land around 110 for 32% and against Jacobs he threw 259 and landed 126 for a 48%. Those stats don't look like those of someone who can't pull the trigger.

Lastly I understand the facts it sems like posters like you who can't grasp them and who want to make excuses after sub par performances when your guy didn't deliver. It was was overzealous GGG fans like yourself that put GGG in the position he's in right now in the first place to be criticized for failing to deliver. All we heard for years was that this guy was the hardest hitting boxer in history Koing HWs in sparring dropping Kovalev in sparring everyone is scared of him I can go on and on. Yet the first time he faces decent comp this power somehow disappears, I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. Try telling this to someone else because I know better.

 

I can't tell all you saw around here was that Jacobs was going to leave the ring on a stretcher. Hell I picked GGG by KO to.

 

Yes he did..and Canelo fought like a girl after all the s**t he talked.. You know GGG has your boys number.. at 35 40 45 50 60... etc etc..

 

Canelo's "home town" is Vegas. Oscar is the one that wanted it there.

Ivan Drago was one of the greatest heavyweights in the sport. But when Balboa turned the crowd I got a tear in my eye. Rocky broke the Cold War, man!

Well, obviously you can't.

But what you can say is that Golovkin was cheered loudly and the main sound when Canelo got on was the booing. In a venue packed with Canelo supporters you'd expect the opposite.

Because Mexicans stand and fight and the guy with the "Mexican Style" was Golovkin, not Canelo.

 

I genuinely thought Jacobs was a glass cannon. High skills, high power, small heart, small chin.

I was wrong.

Also, Jacobs > Canelo.

 

I think Golovkin has been slipping slowly for a while now. Jacobs was a big step up in class and size, no offence to Brook who is an excellent fighter in his own right.

 

Yes I thought he would brutally KO Jacobs who was put on ***** street by light punching Mora and stopped by Pirog years earlier, boy were we wrong.

 

Canelo's hometown is actually Guadalajara, Mexico.

Haha, this we can agree on. However you're clearly seeing Canelo G through the prism of Rocky IV.

Precisely by point.

And I'm asking you how do you know "who" was booing? You're suggesting that it was Canelo's own fans that were booing. How do you know it wasn't just the Golovkin fans that were booing? Why are you so convinced that it was Canelo's own fans that were booing. You just admitted above that you can't know who or how many people were booing just by hearing boos on TV.

Well Canelo did plenty of "standing and fighting". He also did a fair share of moving.

Can I ask you how you would describe Erik Morales' fighting style. He was Mexican right, but he didn't always stand and fight now did he? He's still a Mexican legend, and his style was certainly appreciated. Obviously this whole Mexican style storyline is a ploy by Triple G to get Canelo to stand in front of him and engage in a slugfest, which would obviously play to Golovkin's strengths since he doesn't have the speed or the skill to counter punch and use movement to set up punches like Canelo can. Why would Canelo fight the way that Golovkin wants him to?

What if Erik Morales decided to abandon his usual style to just stand there in front of his opponent like a rock-em sock-em robot. Certainly doing that would cause Erik Morales to take unnecessary punishment and he wouldn't be the legend he is today if he fought in that style. The Sweet Science is to Hit without being hit, which is obviously something Triple G or his fans know very little about.

 

Thanks man! Unfortunately real world is quite far from ideal world But what a division MW is!

 

With her sight, I reckon she'd probably dismiss any envelope as junk mail and toss it. Anything short of a pillowcase-sized sack with a couple giant green dollar signs on it wouldn't get the point across.

 

He fights often in Vegas. That's his 'fighting home'.

It stands to reason that if Golovkin got a loud cheer, in a house packed full of Canelo supporters, that Canelo would get an even louder one. Yet we heard boos. So let's admit the boos were ALL from GGG supporters. WHY were Canelo's fans nowhere to be heard? According to YOU Canelo won the fight. So why not a rousing cheer? Why could we even hear the boos from a few GGG fans?

We obviously saw different fights. Let's leave it at that.

 

Where did I say I want or believe Golovkin or his Team should pick the judges?

I suggested Oscar, right now, after the first fight with all that controversy still fresh in people's minds will not be able to fill the spots with just his choices like last time, fly a judge in last minute like last time simply because everybody involved in boxing like journo's, other fighters, media and more importantly Team Golovkin will all be looking very closely at the judges in a rematch, I suggested it will have to be a fair set of judges, Canelo won't be getting his usual favours because the last lot of Judges were either incompetent or corrupt.

I said in a rematch there will be a feeling, by fans, by media and by influential figures involved in boxing that Golovkin should get justice in a close fight. That happens, it happened when Lewis fought Holyfield, the first fight wasn't close and Lewis was robbed with a draw and I remember the scrutiny the judges were under the in the rematch.


Oh and this has to be said.. I'm not a Golovkin fan, maybe we have different ideas of what a fan is, I like him, rate him but I don't go to his fights and I am British and have no skin in the game.

I'm an adult, I don't have to blindly support one fighter and defend every ridiculous argument, basically try to defend the indefensible just to try and save face, if I'm wrong then I am wrong, I always hold my hands up and come on here and take my slap downs.

I don't remember many Canelo fans and people like you on here who said "Canelo beats Golovkin easily" , "Golovkin is a fraud, bum, hype job" coming on after the first fight and saying "I got it seriously wrong".

 

Trout arguably beat Jermell Charlo. He is amongst the ELITE. He also fought to even terms with Canelo, same as Golovkin did. Difference being that Golovkin is a career MW and was EXPECTED to beat Canelo according to the odds, and according to YOU he was supposed to KTFO Canelo but was reduced to a jabber.

Cotto is a small Jr MW who moved all the way up to MW to dominate and KO one of GGG's best opponents without taking as much punishment as GGG did. Those are fact.

Canelo > GGG

GGG is 35 and has 1 good win
Canelo is 27 and has at least 3 very solid wins and fought to a draw as an underdog against a bigger more established MW.