Toney catches Roy jones

Jones Jr. toyed with him.
It's astonishing how Jones Jr.'s greatness has come to be doubted these days on these forums, while Toney's lesser greatness is touted beyond all reason.

 

Tommy Burns was a good fighter but I think Toney probably betters him.

 

I only seen the 17:50 punch land clean, Steward said Jones was more open to right hands than other punches.

 

That`s because Toney beat a younger version of McCallum than Jones did and McCallum was by far better than anyone that Jones beat.

 

But Jones eased by Toney when they were both prime. That matters much more than how they each did against Mike McCallum.

How is McCallum much better than anyone Jones beat if Jones beat Toney who beat McCallum?

 

Toney was out of shape, Steve Collins trained in Toney`s gym and said he would see him drinking cans of coke and would say what are you doing, then Toney would say it`s okay, he didn`t take his talent or career serious enough, against McCallum he was in much better shape and was quicker at middle anyway.

 

When it comes to right hands and especially counter rights Roy fought arguably the 2 best ever(regardless of division) in Toney and Hopkins

 

Toney didn`t throw many counter rights v Jones and neither did Hopkins who at the time was nowhere near the fighter he became later on, I`m sure when Hopkins reached his best if he had met Roy he would have landed a lot more counter than he did on that dreary night in `93.

 

Do people still believe this nonsense?

 

It's pure simple fact. Whether he would have still beat Jones is up for debate but to pretend this was a peak or even close to peak Hopkins is absurd.

 

LOL he was 28, in his 23rd pro fight, and in a title fight. If that isn't prime then what the hell is?

Not to mention the fact that he went undefeated for 10+ years after

 

Tyson went undefeated all the way to Buster Douglas, does that mean his prime was as early as his second fight?

There are fast developers and slow developers. There are infinite examples of both. Hopkins was a slow one. Numerous things can affect this including amateur careers. Hopkins was bereft of a true ability enhancing amateur career and was well behind Jones who should have won Olympic Gold from memory. Some simply don't believe in themselves until a certain point, Norton for example. Others don't truly dedicate until a certain point, Hopkins is one of these as well.

Those who have studied Hopkins would realise he truly unequivocally dedicated to boxing just prior to the Mercado rematch. His form from this fight onward was absolutely stellar. He started to struggle a bit at the weight late (after a decade and countless defenses who wouldn't) but prospered again when he rid himself the struggles of making 160.

Blooming late was one reason as to why he was able to fight so brilliantly so deep into his career. He was stilling beating top shelf fighters at a time when Jones was a shell of his previous self.

These are the facts.