Gassiev vs. Joshua: Who Wins? Could A Left Hook From Iron Murat Have AJ Seeing Tweety Birds?

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Who Wins? AJ or Murat?

Poll closed Jan 30, 2018.
  1. Murat KO

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  2. Murat UD

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  3. Draw

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  4. AJ KO

    80.0%
  5. AJ UD

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yeah, I know... He's but a mere Cruiserweight! Well don't write him off that easily, he's no mere Cruiserweight, quite frankly I have no idea how this monster among men boils down to 200 and comfortably, but he does. Most likely he walks around at 220, so making the move to Heavyweight would probably be beneficial to him. I think he'd fit right in, and could possibly clean out the division, along with Usyk or course, but while Usyk has the skills, Gassiev is definitely bringing the powah!!!

    So let's see, how does he potentially match up with Joshua compared to AJ's other recent opponents. Gassiev is listed at 6'3 1/2 in some places, others have him listed at 6'4, so he's in that vicinity. AJ's three toughest tests to date were Wlad, Takam and Whyte, obviously Wlad is massive, so he's out of the equation, but Whyte like Gassiev, is also 6'4, while Takam is a teensy little midget at 6'1 1/2 maybe 6'2, so Gassiev is right in the perfect height range to potentially cause AJ issues. The reach may prove to be a slightly bigger hurdle for Gassiev to overcome, Takam's reach is 80 inches, Whyte's is 78 and Murat's is 76. But unlike those other two, Gassiev has a pretty solid high guard defense, he does a fairly adequate job protecting his head and body, so is it possible for Gassiev to get in closer than those two could, and he has something Whyte and Takam lack, lightning fast hands, his hooks and overhands are deceptively quick, and add to that a lot of his KO's come from perfectly timing his opponents with a counter. Gassiev seems to have a solid beard thus far, so he could probably take a few rounds of AJ's bombs as long as not too many of them land flush, so the scenario of Murat walking down AJ behind his high guard, and landing something big, and early isn't out of the question at all.

    David Haye and Evander Holyfield were both Cruisers who moved up with a great deal of success, Haye was even capable of doing something Whyte and Fury couldn't, KOing a prime Chisora. Here's a few more recent examples of Cruisers having success at Heavy, tiny little Mchunu beat Fast Eddie Chambers by a lopsided schooling, Briedis KO'd Charr scary Manny Pacquiao KTFOut Cold6 style, Huck IMHO moved up and deserved the nod over Alexander Povetkin, the fight was anywhere from 7-5 either way or a draw, Cunningham dropped Tyson, Glowacki dropped Cunningham 4 times after he moved back down, that's two more times than Mansour, who hurt Breazeale just as badly as AJ did. So its not like these guys can't compete, because they clearly can. Especially a humungous 6 foot 4 wrecking machine with brutal KO power, sure he couldn't KO Lebedev, but there's nothing that guarantees any other Heavy could either, his chin is ridiculously good, also you must take into consideration, that was Gassiev's first not only step up, but quantum leap up in competition, so he most likely didn't want to risk overextending himself and gassing against Denis, if he really pushed for it, he could have probably stopped The White Swan.

    So what do you think? How do you like Gassiev's chances against AJ? I'd say they're fairly good.

    AJ is 6'6 and Molina is 6'4 like Murat. So clearly Gassiev isn't too small height wise at least.
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  2. Baneofthegame

    Baneofthegame Active Member Full Member

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    You really want AJ to get KO'ed by anybody.

    But he'd definitely stand a chance, anyone with a good chin and decent power does.
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Sure why not.:D As long as its not by Bellew or Ward I'm cool.
     
  4. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good question. I believe Murat will eventually go up into the heavyweight division. If you look at Murat's punching skills, he generates power by bending his legs and driving the punch with his legs and hips much like Mike Tyson and Tommy Morrison punched. If you think about it, Tyson was sub 6 foot in height and Morrison was about 6 feet two inches and both of them are remembered as being explosive punchers. So I think Murat will bring his punching power with him. I have my doubts about both Joshua and Wilder's durability when it comes to taking a hard shot. I give Murat a better chance of knocking out Joshua than I would give Oliver McCall of knocking out Lennox Lewis or Hasim Rahman knocking out Lennox Lewis or Lamon Brewster knocking out Vladimir Klitschko. Gassiev seems to be very good at finding his ideal punching range and owning it.

    I have been pondering the possibilities of a cruiserweight moving up and totally destroying the theory that a heavyweight has to be at least 6 feet 4 and 230lbs. I think Usyk and Gassiev would have a decent chance of doing that. Usyk would be more of a Chris Byrd type albeit with a better punch and Gassiev would be more of a Mike Tyson/ Morrison/ David Haye type. The old dictum is "a good big man will beat a good little man". However, one has to consider does a good big man beat a great little man?
     
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  5. Baneofthegame

    Baneofthegame Active Member Full Member

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    Couldn't agree more! (Although I might add Wilder to my list) :D
     
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  6. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seems like Gassiev has more destructive punching power than say Jerry Quarry and Chris Byrd. In fact he could probably out punch some current heavyweight hopefuls e.g. Evgeny Romanov and even colossal Dychko. Maybe not so much in putting weight behind the punch but speed, accuracy and combinations.
     
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  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Great response and thank you, you laid out my thoughts perfectly for me. In spite of my anti-Joshua rhetoric and somewhat silly title, this was meant as a serious thread and I prefer answers like yours, I view Gassiev as more of a threat to AJ than most of his fellow Heavies, for precisely some of the reasons you brought up. Will he win? Who knows, I need to see Gassiev fight a few other HW's first, but as far as the eye test goes, he's a potential nightmare for AJ.
     
  8. Sir Will Wigan

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    Considering that this has been verified as a serious thread, I'll give the OP's perspective this much:I now believe that Joshua will have the most (possibly significant) trouble with relatively "smallish" HWs who are ultra crafty and have elite movement, excellent head movement, excellent stamina and a diverse arsenal of punches with some pop in them. There are a few that fit the bill and Gassiev is at the top of that list.
     
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  9. Boxingfan200

    Boxingfan200 USYK #1 P4P banned Full Member

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    lol.. the Joshua hate you show is getting hilarious :p it kills you that he has 2 heavyweight belts doesn't it :D? Joshua by Ud btw.
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Sounds a bit far-fetched at first but it's not like we haven't seen much smaller fighters hurt or KO bigger ones before

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    Boxing’s heavyweightdivision has mostly been dreadful over the last decade, though it’s showing signs of life now.

    Both WBC champion Deontay Wilder and WBA/IBF champion Anthony Joshua seem to be top-tier fighters, and could produce a memorable match if boxing politics don’t get in the way of them facing each other.


    The most significant challenge for those two though is not even in the heavyweight division yet.

    Murat Gassiev, the unbeaten IBF cruiserweight champion, will face Krzysztof Wlodarczyk on Saturday at the Prudential Center in Newark in a World Boxing Super Series quarterfinal bout.

    Gassiev, who turned 24 last week, is 24-0 with 17 knockouts and is a 15-1 favorite to defeat Wlodarczyk and move into the semifinals of the event that includes all of the cruiserweight champions.

    The opportunity to unify the cruiserweight belts is what got Gassiev into the tournament. But what he might get out of it is a big jumping-off point for what could be a lucrative move to heavyweight.

    “This gives me an opportunity to fight for all four belts and it will be a good experience with the eight best fighters in the division,” Gassiev said.

    The 6-foot-4 Gassiev, who was born in the small industrial town of Vladikavkaz in southeast Russia, has trained against a who’s who of quality opponents since he began to train with Abel Sanchez in Big Bear, Calif.

    Gassiev is a protégé of sorts of middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin. He’s absorbed Golovkin’s tireless work ethic and committed himself to becoming the best version of himself.

    If he pulls it off – and he wasn’t the best version of himself in his title-winning effort over Denis Lebedev last year – he could prove to be one of the best and most exciting fighters in the sport.

    He’s tall and rangy but moves well for a man so large. He’s not a lumbering fighter, but an athletic one who reminds Sanchez of ex-heavyweight champion Evander Holyfield.

    Holyfield won his first world title as a pro at cruiserweight and defended it successfully five times – adding two other cruiserweight belts along the way – before moving to heavyweight where he went down in history as one of the best to do it.

    “The power he has shown me in the gym sparring against [heavyweights Dominic] Breazeale, Charles Martin, Gerald Washington, Chris Arreola, is very real,” Sanchez said. “All those guys, he’s been able to dominate and hurt. Once we get him to the heavyweight division and stabilize him at 225, 230, and put some muscle on those pounds, he’ll be very effective.

    “I think this is looking like a pretty good [era] for the heavyweights. Some of the guys, like Wilder and Joshua, are a lot bigger than Murat, but that’s where I talk about Holyfield. Murat is 6-4, but he’s taller than Holyfield, who was 6-2, 6-3 but took his time and developed into a legitimate heavyweight. Evander’s activity and his punching power and his speed were his forte and the bigger guys had trouble dealing with him. I think with Murat, it’s the same type of thing. I think that’s the same kind of fighter he’ll be once he makes that move to heavyweight.”

    Gassiev is largely unknown in the U.S., and his bout on Saturday will in some ways be his coming-out party. He’s the type of fighter who translates well to television, with a high work rate, power and fast hands.

    He knows an impressive win Saturday, as well as a strong performance in the tournament, will help boost his profile in the U.S.

    “I used to watch Mike Tyson’s fights and I saw how he built fight after fight with a great performance, big knockout, and brought the fans to him,” Gassiev said. “Muhammad Ali before Tyson, same way. It’s my dreams to be able to go out and show what I can do and put on good fights and win this tournament.”

    It will be a great stepping-off point to heavyweight, though he doesn’t need to rush given his age and the depth in the cruiserweight division. Though most aren’t big names, there are a lot of good fighters at 200 pounds and they’ll help Gassiev get the experience he needs.

    So, too, does training with Golovkin, noted as one of the hardest workers in the sport.


    “I said this a year-and-a-half ago that Murat Gassiev was going to be the next Golovkin to come out of my gym if he kept his head on straight,” Sanchez said. “Murat’s a fortunate man to have a guy like Gennady in the gym, because Gennady is a great example. A lot of young guys with talent, great prospects, they got all caught up in themselves and they lose sight of what they should do.

    “But when Murat goes to the gym every day, he sees an established guy like Golovkin, one of the best fighters in the world, working harder than everyone else. Gennady has been a good mentor for him in that way and Murat is making the progress we want to see.”

    It’s asking a lot of anyone to become another Holyfield. But if Gassiev can perform as the competition gets tougher, he might be at least Holyfield Lite.

    Fighters can make a lot of money emulating Holyfield, so that’s hardly a bad thing.

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  11. theanatolian

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    I don't think his chin will hold up(as Gassiev usually allows his opponents to get off first), but he can give AJ a run for his money. It'll be interesting to see how Joshua's stamina will look after body attack from Gassiev, and if Murat can develope some infighting craft(like using his shoulders to create angles, moving his upperbody to make his opponent miss and find openings for uppercuts), he might be a live dog some day.

    But at the end, I think It'll be a boxer/mover who'll defeat Joshua.
     
  12. bcr

    bcr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My dream scenario is either Gassiev or Usyk moving up and beating Wilder or Joshua so we can stop this "Today Heavyweights are unbeatable because they are big" bs.
     
  13. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    AJ by KO. Usyk on the otherhand has a great chance with his head movement and counters. Those tactics will be the reason he beats Gassiev as well.
     
  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    What hate? I'm asking if a guy can beat AJ, and judging by your AJ by UD, you're not all that convinced anymore yourself.

    And for the record, and others can attest to this, I had no clue he had 2 Heavyweight belts, I pay zero attention to trinkets, never have, never will, I couldn't care less about the WBO, WBA, IBF etc.
     
  15. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Gassiev has the power to separate ANYONE from their senses. And at 23 he’s going to get better. Yes if Joshua is still there by the time Murat moves up... Gassiev takes him out. Joshua is there to be hit.
     
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