Is Wladimir Klitschko an ATG?

Common sense. Unless you're one of these insane gay Joshua fanboys, or someone with an outrageous amount of hate for the Klitschkos like Dinovelvet. No 41 year old who's been competing as a professional for 20+ years, coming off a 1 1/2 year layoff is going to be anywhere near their best.

 

I believe the German media said it was one of his best performances and his best since the David Haye fight.

For me, looking at the point of view of AJ, if you beat an ATG who, according to the media put up "One of his best performances", then AJ is well on the way to becoming an ATG too.

When AJ takes Wilder's and Parker's belts next year, he becomes an ATG imo.

 

Not the way that Fury tells it. He says that Steward after seeing Fury in wlad’s training camps ,advised Wlad to avoid Fury in the future because his style was just all wrong for Wlad.

 

His last successful defence.

 

Agree but Lewis never fought while 39 years old. He retired with age 37.

 

It was one of his most exciting fights but definitely not his best perfomance.
Wladimir of 2007/2008 would have stopped Joshua

 

Several:
Byrd I, Peter I, Byrd 2, Brewster 2, Sultan, Chageav, Haye, Povetkin, Pulev.

I feel his best performance is Byrd 2.

 

Hey, i'm just quoting a line from a fairly neutral and knowledgeable source.

Wlad was probably as 'overcooked' as Joshua was 'undercooked'.

At the end of the day we got a great fight between two olympic gold medalists, in front of a huge crowd resulting in the passing of the torch from a great advocate of the sport to another, probably the best of one era to the potential best of the next.

Wlad is an ATG and should Joshua continue his rise, he will be one too.
Joshua is the only guy during this 'new era' who actually has an ATG name on his resume, so it's an impressive start.

 

Yes, but there is an application of context. That he was coming off a long lay off at 41 and did what he did is being considered.

Wlad was visibly slower in the fight than he was just a few years ago.

 

Wlad was far sharper and quicker than he was against Fury.

Fury's win was impressive, no doubt, but Wlad didn't even throw.

 

I think we've had this thread before. Of course the man is an all timer. Boxrec have him #6 all time. The greatest heavy of the century as yet.

 

He wasn't. Fury's even sharper and quicker reflexes made it look that way. Any fighter looks sharper against a more stationary target.

 

Wlad didn't throw against Fury.

He didn't miss the target, he didn't even throw at the target.

There was something wrong that night, everyone knows it.

 

What was wrong was that he was completely out of his comfort zone because of Fury's absurdly awkward movementand his orangutan Reach. A rhythm fighter like Wlad who badly needs to control the range, who badly needs to find home for his jab to even start an offence, will always be gun shy against a guy like Fury.