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Is Mike Tyson rated fairly?

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Wass1985 said: ↑

There are those who claim Tyson fought Douglas a day after weighing in at 500lb and after having a 48 hour sex marathon with a Lady Boy. Of course these are proven facts.......
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I never did get where you got the Lady Boy angle from.Obviously we know you don't like Tyson,I dont like him myself, but has anyone ever shown more proof of his heterosexuality? Girls paid off after being molested by him as a teenager assorted pole dancers,starlets, wanabee female celebs suing him for inappropriate behaviour and a jail sentence for r*pe on a beauty queen.Im going to take a wild guess and say, whatever other peculiarities/peccadilloes he has , he is
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Wass1985 said: ↑

But they went on to dominate the division, sadly Tyson didn't.....
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An undisputed champion who couldn't dominate a division. It's a bizarre idea.

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Mendoza said: ↑

Team Tyson and Don King never wanted to fight Witherpsoon.

Tyson these days is fairly rated. Prior to the first Holyfield fight, Tyson was over rated. But in the end he lost his three legacy fights badly and was upset by Douglas.

However he did enough fine work from 1985-1989 to rate in the top 15 I think, but not in the top 10.
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Ffs. This. Again.

Remind me who Tyson won his WBA belt from?

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I have been thinking a lot about Mike Tyson over the past few weeks.

With the benefit of reflection afforded by all the years passed since the man retired, is it now possible to rate him more fairly?

I find the most common argument against his 'legacy', the one of him having a poor CV, to be quite weak upon reflection.
He is definitely in the majority club when it comes to heavyweight champions. Outside of Muhammad Ali, there isn't anyone who can't have their list of scalps criticised and discredited.

He defeated all the men of his era cleanly, in a time where most of the bouts were messy affairs with wins split between the rankings.

His top tier wins are obviously Spinks and Holmes, in my view, with the Holmes win having retroactive value based on how he was able to continue to compete amongst the fighters who were relevant at the time.

With Spinks, it appears to be a strange performance and outcome to what was hyped at the time as a near even fight.
But I argue that other blowouts between regarded fighters don't have the same levels of scepticism levelled at them (Frazier v Foreman, Liston v Patterson, Louis v Schmeling 2) as this one does. Instead of giving Mike the credit, the general narrative seems to be one of downplaying the achievement.

His next tier of wins include the likes of Bruno, Tubbs, Tucker, Smith, Thomas and Berbick. With the context of how fights between that lot went at the time Tyson was mowing through them (as I said, messy, usually close contests), they are a significant amount more impressive than they appear on first glance.

I suggest this, as it shows how clearly above the competition Tyson showed himself to be. These were, for the most part, competently skilled fighters who would have been contenders in any other era.

As a collection of wins, do they really compare that unfavourably to the likes of Joe Louis or Larry Holmes, or basically any heavyweight other than Ali?

I argue that Mike achieved a comparable quality of record as Joe Louis, in a much more condensed time scale.

Longevity and consistency are definitely important factors when ranking the prestige of a champion, but I don't see many other examples of long reigning, active champions, outside of Louis, Ali and Holmes.

I think Mike Tyson, for his short, flawed career, deserves more credit for the decisive way in which he cleared out all contenders and became a definitive champion.

Ali
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I rate him above Marciano and Frazier.I'm sure everyone here will agree it's the only reasonable stance to take?

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He's Top Ten. He cleaned out the division in emphatic manner and stayed busy when he got to the top. I rank him above Frazier, Holy and Dempsey.

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Mendoza said: ↑

Team Tyson and Don King never wanted to fight Witherpsoon.

Tyson these days is fairly rated. Prior to the first Holyfield fight, Tyson was over rated. But in the end he lost his three legacy fights badly and was upset by Douglas.

However he did enough fine work from 1985-1989 to rate in the top 15 I think, but not in the top 10.
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What does it mean "team Tyson" ? Otherwise after Withersoon's brutal first round ko loss by James Smith
Witherspoon didn't deserve a title fight against Tyson.
Otherwise Tyson didn't lose 3 legacy fights BADLY.

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VVMM said: ↑

An undisputed champion who couldn't dominate a division. It's a bizarre idea.
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It's all about the timescale, do try harder.

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mcvey said: ↑

I never did get where you got the Lady Boy angle from.Obviously we know you don't like Tyson,I dont like him myself, but has anyone ever shown more proof of his heterosexuality? Girls paid off after being molested by him as a teenager assorted pole dancers,starlets, wanabee female celebs suing him for inappropriate behaviour and a jail sentence for r*pe on a beauty queen.Im going to take a wild guess and say, whatever other peculiarities/peccadilloes he has , he is
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"I'll fcuk you till you love me ******."

Famous last words of a straight guy I think not.

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Razor Ruddock does have kissable girlie lips.

There's nothing gay about pointing that out.

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Unforgiven said: ↑

Razor Ruddock does have kissable girlie lips.

There's nothing gay about pointing that out.
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Post of the thread.

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Unforgiven said: ↑

Razor Ruddock does have kissable girlie lips.

There's nothing gay about pointing that out.
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Put it this way you wouldn't fall to sleep with your back facing him......

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Wass1985 said: ↑

It's all about the timescale, do try harder.
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No thanx ! I don't wanna waste my time to hopeless cases.

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VVMM said: ↑

No thanx ! I don't wanna waste my time to hopeless cases.
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Yep, you trying to make sense is a hopeless case you're right......

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He didn't beat the elites at HW in his era. Sorry he's not ATG in my book. Exciting yes, ATG probably not. HOF sure.

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FuMaster said: ↑

He didn't beat the elites at HW in his era. Sorry he's not ATG in my book. Exciting yes, ATG probably not. HOF sure.
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Berbick, Tubbs, Thomas, Bruno, Spinks, Holmes, Biggs, Tucker, Ruddock were not elite?

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