Lennox Lewis vs Joe Frazier

Or maybe the difference is Frazier never lost to the calibre of fighter Lewis did so never had to avenge defeats like that?

 

Or that Frazier never beat a rated superheavy?
That Lewis was still fighting at 37 ,and one of his defeats happened in his 36th year whereas Frazier was massacred when he was 29?

 

The point is Lewis fights nothing like young Foreman.So, using Foreman - Frazier as a basis proves absolutely nothing.Styles make fights!

 

Tell me which super HW's should he have fought and beat?

Frazier was still fighting at 38, Lewis was also massacred at 29 and 36 by less than great opposition.

 

No the point is because of his size Frazier is committed to attacking,he has to get close to be effective, before he can do so he has to take the punches from a man who outweighs him by35lbs plus and who outreaches him by 11 inches!
Then once inside he has to weather the uppercuts from this man and find a way of freeing himself from the clinches this giant will surely initiate once he is inside.Explain to me how he achieves this?

 

This is a silly response, not worthy of you. Frazier came back for one fight against a muscle bound journeyman and was gifted draw, this was six years after Foreman had bounced him into retirement.
Who could Frazier have fought who was a big hitting200lbs plus?Liston,Shavers, Mac Foster, Earnie Shavers,Al Jones.

 

He didn't avoid these fighters as far as I know? You think those above are SHW?

 

He did it just fine against a much faster Ali who wasn't even that small compared to Lewis when in his pomp. Of course if Frazier got caught there's a chance he'd be in trouble but Frazier was a machine at his peak.

 

They are the nearest that was around. Let's say he somehow didnt face them.Point being he failed disastrously against the only one he faced.
I love Frazier he had the heart of a lion, always came to fight, but I think Durham and Futch were canny about who they put him in with. I think the rationale behind the Foreman fight was ."lets take him now while he is still green and raw around the edges".They underestimated him and overestimated Joe at that time in his career imo.
In truth though I think Foreman beats Frazier 7 days a week, and twice on Sundays ,and Lennox does too.Too many physical advantages and two fisted power for him to deal with.No shame in that!

 

I think you would have to favor Lennox Lewis. He has too many advantages physically. Unlike some other bigger fighters LL is also very skilled and very smart. He usually fought his fight. Joe could be dangerous for Lennox if he gets inside but I think that is a tall order to do consistently.

As long as Lewis didn't fight too tentative I think he wins this. Letting Frazier get warmed up and into the fight might be a mistake. Lewis couldn't afford to fight the way he did against Tua. Frazier would outwork Tua 3-1 in punch rate. I think Lewis would have to come out the way he did against Golota and Grant. More aggressive and look for the right hand.

 

Ali had just 18rounds of boxing in the last 4 years when he lost to Frazier and Ali marked him up something terrible , so badly he spent a week in the hospital afterwards ,

Ali is 3 inches shorter than Lewis, has 6 inches shorter reach and is outweighed by30lbs!
Frazier could afford to attack Ali with less than100% caution,secure in the knowlegde that Ali was not a big puncher.Against Lewis' far greater power , he would be trying to take sticks of dynamite out of a fire before they went off.

 

Once inside Lewis would grab him with one hand and pull his head down into the path of his uppercut it was a trademark of his, illegal but highly effective! Frazier didnt cut much but his face used to swell quite badly.He would look a sight after taking a few of Lewis 's best shots.

 

I must agree.