Lennox Lewis vs Joe Frazier

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Contro, Oct 31, 2017.


Lewis vs frazier

  1. Lewis

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  2. Frazier

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Massacred is a strong word
     
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  2. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Prime Ali was 6'3 210-212 lbs, prime Lewis 6'6 245 pounds
     
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  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Well, size does count for less as you go up in weight. It's why many would pick Marciano to give Ali a tough fight or may pick Dempsey to stop Ron Lyle but on the other hand would pick Mayweather to be slaughtered against Marciano or Kid Gavilan to never make it against Dempsey.

    But I get your point.
     
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  4. mcvey

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    Being dropped 6 times in under 2 rounds is a strong result!
     
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  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Grazing my ass. Frazier took them flush and he didn't even roll with punches. His chin is massively underrated imo.
    He didn't hit nearly as hard.
    Correct, Frazier would never be floored by a Douglas type.
    :lol: This already happened and Tyson was knocked out. And don't give me that ****, that Tyson was an ancient old man. He was younger than Lewis who happened to have a broken hand in that bout. That's the ONLY reason Tyson lasted as long as he did.
     
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  6. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Frazier was floored by a bonavena type, without being beat up, dominated and ragdolled by a bigger man for 10 rounds first.
    Lewis does hit very very hard, and very accurately which makes him more dangerous per punch than foreman, even if foreman could generate slightly more force(which is debatable since Lewis was alot heavier than prime foreman)
    Lewis himself was shocked at the shots tyson took, so his hand couldnt have been that bad.


    Lewis dominates and decapitates one handed, one dimensional overachiever Joe Frazier inside 6 rounds.
     
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  7. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    No. George had more dangerous one-punch power than Lewis. (ask Michael Moorer )



    Ridiculous characterization of smokin' Joe, who holds what might be the single greatest win in HW history !




    That said, Lewis is much bigger, much stronger, has way more reach and hits a lot harder.
    His boxing fundamentals are probably as good or better than Joe's.

    I don't see this going well for Joe.

    Lewis by KO/TKO.
     
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  8. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Foreman himself said that he had been punishing Moorer the entire fight. And moorer said he was out on his feet before the final 1-2
    Foreman was never the 1 punch KO type, he had tremendous power but never set opponents up for a lights out shot. Most of the time he hurt a guy with a huge bomb(despite the fact the other guy probably saw the shot) because of his natural raw power and then finished him off.
    He didnt KO or drop good fighters with one shot without having hurt them first. He didnt have the technique for that. You generally need to hit a guy with a shot he doesnt see for that to happen.

    Maybe the wording hurts your feelings but the facts are what they are. Unless you can show me a fight where frazier all of a sudden gets on his toes and fights off the backfoot or outjabs a good opponent that wont engage? Or show me all of those right hand KOs?

    frazier was one handed and one dimensional. I dont think that can be argued to be honest. Based on his very limited talent and physical attributes its also very fair to call him an overachiever in my book.
     
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  9. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    We'll have to disagree on which of the two men hit harder.


    It has sweet F*** all to do with my feelings. And even less to do with facts.

    It's, as I said, a ridiculous characterization of Frazier and opinions (especially minority opinions) are not FACTS.
     
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  10. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Massive size difference is a factor you not think ??
     
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  11. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Go watch Frazier prime, he was an animal ! Limited talent?? He honed his fighting style to near perfection, he was a terrible fighter to face !
     
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  13. choklab

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    Maybe you should rewatch the fight. Frazier expertly cut Ali off and with his tempo forced Ali to work like crazy to respond to his motion. Frazier met him at range with long range blows using the angles of his foot placement. The knockdown was a long punch. Frazier in this fight had all the ability and speed you would afford a younger Tyson against Lewis.

    It was not the guy Foreman fought. This was joe Frazier not Kingston Frazier.

    These guys think Foreman fought the guy Ali did.

    Frazier beat Ali! Foreman didn’t.
     
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  14. JohnThomas1

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    So he had ATG power and blistering speed in BOTH hands?
     
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  15. Wass1985

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    You're an inch out, I know an inch is nothing to me but in boxing it's a different story.....
     
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