Should Povetkin, Ortiz and AJ be treated as Wilder wins?

dellboi94 · Nov 3, 2017

That would make Dillian Whyte the HW Champion of the world, Wilder ducked Whyte. Parker also didn't want Whyte. Whyte is the IBF, WBC, WBO and WBA heavyweight champion of the world and is a top 10 ATG and if you disagree, you're TARKIN RUBBISH.

delboy82 · Nov 3, 2017

N17 said: ↑

If I say I'm not ready for you on twitter delboy does that mean you have a win over me and take my belts?

Hmm I'm going to have think this through.
Click to expand...

Nup too late iv already had a meltdown on social media, and I don't care if u can sell out Wembley u gotta face me in my turf. My car park in Minsk

MrTombourineMan · Nov 3, 2017

Nice try, Deontay . Now finish that blunt and get a move on. You've got a weigh in to be at in half an hour.

TownBiz · Nov 3, 2017

N17 said: ↑

I'm far from an expert on anything, there are far more intelligent and knowledgeable posters than me on here, far more.

I can't really help you if you think what you typed makes any sense.

Maybe I'd agree with you if you said "if there is a fight and a fighter test positive after the fight then regardless of the result the clean fighter gets a W instead of it being a NC"

That I'd get on board with, makes sense to me, but to suggest you should just give fighters wins because certain fights haven't happened or happened yet is just ridiculous.
Click to expand...

i'm not saying it should go on a fighters record as a "w" because a fighter tests positive thereby causing a fight to be cancelled...there's no way to adjudicate that...i'm saying it should be recognized unofficially, by the fans and boxing public as a "w".

And thank you for admitting you're not an expert on anything and therefore not qualified to comment on this or any other issue...I won't waste time on your ignorant opinions any further.

Southpawswitch · Nov 3, 2017

Absolutely yes.

James Smith · Nov 3, 2017

TownBiz said: ↑

My point is a clear and logical one....if you can refute it, do so with logic. If you can't then of course you're gonna say stupid stuff like calling for me to be banned. That's the hallmark of defeat. You don't like the message, so the response is to kill the messenger.

Look, both Ortiz and povetkin signed on the dotted line to fight wilder. Wilder was willing to go to RUSSIA, POVETKIN'S HOME TURF!...where povetkin would have all the advantages usually enjoyed by the hometown favorite. what did povetkin do? he tested positive for a banned substance. It's not like wilder was trying to duck him....wilder was willing to go to his country and fight! it was povetkin who basically surrendered saying he can't win without the benefit of an illegal performance enhancing drug.

Ortiz also, signed on the dotted line....all his years as a top Cuban amateur...being recognized as the most technically proficient hw in the world...claiming everybody is avoiding him...STILL he needed to take PEDs. Why? because he knew he had NO CHANCE to beat wilder...so he also surrendered before he got in the ring.

AJ was asked the question point blank and responded point blank saying "i'm not ready to fight wilder at this point"...an admission of surrender and defeat.

These are not my opinions...these are DOCUMENTED FACTS!...right there in front of y'alls eyes! the FACTS lead to one conclusion and one conclusion only. these men admitted they were not able to defeat wilder at this point given their natural abilities. therefore, they should count as defeats against them and wins for wilder.

I don't know how much clearer I can make this.
Click to expand...

Povetkin and Ortiz were both doing drugs long before Wilder.

It was just that Wilder was the first fighter unwilling to fight a drugged up Povetkin or Ortiz, if anything it should be a win for Povetkin and Ortiz.

N17 · Nov 3, 2017

delboy82 said: ↑

Nup too late iv already had a meltdown on social media, and I don't care if u can sell out Wembley u gotta face me in my turf. My car park in Minsk
Click to expand...

It looks like my reign was short but I'm sure you'd agree it was explosive and entertaining while it lasted, yes all 30 minutes of it.

Official Retirement Statement:

I'd like to officially announce my retirement, @delboy82 is the future and I've passed the torch and all my belts to the next generation. I would like to believe I went out like a champion.

I'd like to thank my family for the love and support they have given me over the last 30 minutes and also the fans, without their amazing support none of this would have been possible.

I will not be returning, I'm 100% sure on that, when the fingers and knuckles stop working it is time to quit, I'd like to stay involved in twitter call outs, I'd love to train a future twitter warrior but that's something I'll look to in the future.

Right now I just want to rest my fingers, spend time with my family and look back at an unbelievable and amazing 30 minutes.

Thanks for everything

N17

Southpawswitch · Nov 3, 2017

Ortiz is apparently a man with a serious medical condition if his doctor is to believed. Should he be fighting anyway?

delboy82 · Nov 3, 2017

N17 said: ↑

It looks like my reign was short but I'm sure you'd agree it was explosive and entertaining while it lasted, yes all 30 minutes of it.

Official Retirement Statement:

I'd like to officially announce my retirement, @delboy82 is the future and I've passed the torch and all my belts to the next generation. I would like to believe I went out like a champion.

I'd like to thank my family for the love and support they have given me over the last 30 minutes and also the fans, without their amazing support none of this would have been possible.

I will not be returning, I'm 100% sure on that, when the fingers and knuckles stop working it is time to quit, I'd like to stay involved in twitter call outs, I'd love to train a future twitter warrior but that's something I'll look to in the future.

Right now I just want to rest my fingers, spend time with my family and look back at an unbelievable and amazing 30 minutes.

Thanks for everything

N17
Click to expand...

OpinionOfACasual · Nov 3, 2017

Wilder....

9 years in the pro game -

Hasn't fought a top 10 guy....
Hasn't even fought an opponent who has faced a top 10 guy....
Is the biggest HW in the US and isnt even a PPV attraction....

Howitzer1888 · Nov 3, 2017

This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever seen.

latineg · Nov 3, 2017

Who is this new OP?

Revenge of The ghost of Blizzy?

Blackclouds · Nov 3, 2017

Yes

mark ant · Nov 3, 2017

TownBiz said: ↑

If you take the Povetkin and Ortiz situation to a logical conclusion, both guys basically surrendered rather than get in the ring and face DW. Both chose to take banned, illegal substances which they knew would give them an unfair competitive advantage. This is basically the same as announcing to the world "i can't compete with DW on the basis of my natural ability. He would destroy me because he's greater than me. I need an unnatural substance to give me superhuman ability so, I can have a chance at winning." To me, that's clearly a loss on their part. An admission of defeat. Therefore it should go down on wilder's record as a "W"...if not officially, at least unofficially as recognized by the fans.

As for AJ announcing he's not ready to face wilder at this point, he should, by all rights, renounce his claim to the hw championship. When you're a champion, you don't get to say "i'm not ready to take on the best competition"...that's what being a champion means...you're OBLIGATED to fight the best. Therefore, AJ's comments indicate that he also is admitting defeat to wilder.

Given this state of affairs, Povetkin, Ortiz and AJ should be unofficially recognized as wins on Wilder's record ...until they have the courage to step in the ring with him clean and prove otherwise.
Click to expand...

AJ would box the hell out of DW! What is the quote that AJ fully said?! From what I heard he wants to fight DW but Wilder wants equal money but he`s not as popular as AJ.

Beyonce Wilder · Nov 3, 2017

absolutely.

at this rate wilder will be the only champion to amass 50 wins undefeated but having only fought 40 times.

Log in or Sign up

Should Povetkin, Ortiz and AJ be treated as Wilder wins?

dellboi94 Boxing Addict Full Member

delboy82 Boxing Junkie Full Member

MrTombourineMan Торрейра хорошо. Full Member

TownBiz New Member banned Full Member

Southpawswitch Active Member Full Member

James Smith Well-Known Member Full Member

N17 Loyal Member Full Member

Southpawswitch Active Member Full Member

delboy82 Boxing Junkie Full Member

OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

Howitzer1888 Active Member Full Member

latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

Beyonce Wilder Active Member Full Member

Log in or Sign up

Forums

Should Povetkin, Ortiz and AJ be treated as Wilder wins?

dellboi94 Boxing Addict Full Member

delboy82 Boxing Junkie Full Member

MrTombourineMan Торрейра хорошо. Full Member

TownBiz New Member banned Full Member

Southpawswitch Active Member Full Member

James Smith Well-Known Member Full Member

N17 Loyal Member Full Member

Southpawswitch Active Member Full Member

delboy82 Boxing Junkie Full Member

OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

Howitzer1888 Active Member Full Member

latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

Beyonce Wilder Active Member Full Member