GGG is - at the very least - the Greatest middleweight since Hagler

Transnational Boxing Rankings Board who have the best and fairest panel around, ceased to recognize Canelo as lineal Champion last May, when he faced Chavez Jr at 164. It marked a full year where Canelo did not fight within MW range.

They currently rate Golovkin as #1 and Canelo as #2.

And I would also add Golovkin beat Canelo in the ring where it counts, and only a fringe minority of die hards think the draw was fair.

Who cares about lineal anyway? We know the lineal Champions: Martinez & Cotto refused to face Golovkin and Canelo postponed meeting him for two years. It would be like discrediting Ezzard Charles because he was never lineal at LHW.

 

I have to go with Hopkins. I do believe Hopkins after Taylor handpicked to fight who he thought would be better chances to win, but as a middleweight he was better than GGG. More technical when he had to be and he could win as aggressor or defensively.

 

Perceived popular opinion doesn't determine wins and losses and who is Champion. Plenty of netural observers stated that the draw was fair. The "majority" of people who thought Gennady won either favor come forward fighters in close rounds or are Gennady fanboys. There is no such fringe minority of those who thought the draw was fair. A sizeable portion of media members had the fight a draw, and amongst those who had Gennady winning that were interviewed said that they were fine with a draw. (Danny Garcia for example)

And of course a hundred or so media members & fighters does not represent the number of people who watched the fight. The couple hundred or so who've voiced their opinion of the fight on ESB also don't represent the population as a whole. Going into the fight, the vast majority have complained about the scoring of all of Alvarez's top level fights (Lara, Trout, Mayweather, Khan) so this is merely a continuation of the obvious bias that's out there against Alvarez.

I would also like to add that Gennady did not beat Alvarez in the ring where it counts. Gennady was gifted a draw for "coming forward" and "trying a lot", where it counted were the brutal uppercuts that Canelo landed on Gennady. Where it counted was the counter body shots Alvarez landed on Gennady. Where it counted was the taking over of the fight in the Championship Rounds (where supposedly Champions are determined) by Saul Alvarez landing the far bettter punches in these crucial rounds. Where it counted was how many times Alvarez made Gennady miss punches making Gennady look ordinary when he was supposed to be this monster knockout artist who couldn't even manage to hurt Alvarez at any time. Gennady was reduced to a plodding come forward fighter who became frustrated that Alvarez wasn't "standing still" so he G could hit him.

Canelo is the Undisputed Lineal and Ring Magazine Middleweight Champion. If Gennady wants to be the Man at Middleweight, then he's gonna have to beat Saul Alvarez in the ring, where it counts, something he hasn't done.

 

I agree....but this is just an opinion. I think the lineal title is watered down at 160. Ever since Sergio won it...the lineal champion at the moment technically is Alvarez but NO one really sees him or acknowledges him as “the man”. The lineal title is supposed to recognize who the “real champion” is with all the 150 alphabet soup titles we have in Boxing today. It makes sense because you could have 5 different world champions in one division and it’s gets confusing for some to understand who the real champ is if the titles are not unified.

Ask anyone in Boxing who the man is at middleweight and they will all say GGG. Look at any of the rankings from the IBF to the WBC and every other organization in between and they will all Place Golovkin in their top spot. In my opinion he’s the true lineal champion. I could care less what it will say on paper. I accept the technicality of Canelo being the “lineal champion” at 160 but no one can tell me he’s the real champ. It’s just not gonna happen especially after their first fight. The rematch could prove differently...that Alvarez is the lineal champion but we have to wait on that.

 

why do you always start with the calm down line when you dont have anything to return with?

and thats not lineal. That is all, so take it on board, since you brought nothing new to the table.

 

Because I’m worried about you. You get your heart rate up for no reason. Relax. It’s not that serious

Being considered the real champ is the foundation for holding the label of being the lineal champion. Is Alvarez considered the real 160 champion? He has a lineal title but isn’t considered the real champ. That’s what people call a paper champion. It looks good for his resume though

 

u've already been told its not a matter. U have absolutely zero knowledge of my heart rate/BP. Why you keeping up this charade.

you still kidding yourself that canelo isnt lineal. fair enough I'm out of here, I cant make you not lie to yourself.

 

You come across like you are bothered by the little things and it concerns me. You should chill out and take it easy. It’s just a message board kid.

I’m not kidding myself.... I know he has the lineal title, I just don’t view it the way you do. It’s meaningless being labeled lineal champ when someone else is considered the real champion. It just pads the resume, looks good for his legacy and gives him some added bargaining leverage for negotiations. No one places him above Golovkin as the real Middleweight champion. It’s really not a big deal. Just the way it is

 

so you arent going to drop this charade of pretending I am not chilled. ok, I'll forget asking you to stop.

there is no single "real" title. What you mean is 3G is unified, more or less undisputed, since BJ boy barely counts.

There is a lineal "title" through lineage, and that is entirely separate from other titles. It has no bearing on the world titles, and the world titles have no bearing on it. Lineal is mutually exclusive to the body's world titles.


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Pretending you are not “chilled”? Lol.. whatever you want kid. If that helps you sleep better at night I’m all for it.

Lineal title has everything to do with world titles. You can’t be a lineal champion without having grabbed a strap somewhere along the way. If you are unified and have all the straps then you will essentially be the lineal champion. That person will be viewed and respected as such and also have the distinction on paper

 

Personally I'm just glad all the pro and anti golovkin **** posting is contained to one thread and not overwhelming the entire board like usual, thanks for keeping it to one thread fellas, I look forward to not reading this thread for a long time.

 

Good post.

 

Yes, there has to be some sort of strap on the line. Lineal Champions like Gus Lesnevich lost all sorts of non-title fights back in the day, the lineage didnt shift.

Present day lineal die hards on message forums are usually just grasping at straws to critique a fighter they dont like and usually rely on contradicting biased measurements.

 

I know what you think for the 100th time and dont really care because you come off like a lunatic fantic.

 

this is exactly what 'johnnydrama' was talking about
learn to let go of posts that don't matter one bit - take your emotion out of it
you get on 'crusades' over something petty and can't let go of it