Wilder vs Joshua, this is the fight to make in 2018!

If Fury wants it in the Summer, its going to trump any potential Wilder fight because it's a much bigger fight, not only in the UK, but in Europe and possibly the US as well. Fury has done some interviews and said the ban is over and now he's training for his comeback. Well, he's got 8 months to shed 100 lbs. That's achievable for £10-15 million I'm sure.

I agree with you in that I think it should be later in the year, and that perhaps Wilder vs AJ should happen in the Summer. This all depends on Fury though. Like knowing his character he may say "Fight this Summer or no fight at all" than he may come in still slightly overweight and get knocked out early because he was ill prepared for AJ's speed.

 

at your Whyte assesments.

Whyte's footwork is far, far, far, far from being great. Wilder has the better footspeed over him, he'll easily keep the distance, even a shot to **** Helenius was able to find home for his right hand, so can Wilder. Whyte's left hook is wide and sloppy that he'll be sucker for a right hand. If you wanna see how Wilder/Whyte would play out, see the Szpilka fight. Whyte would get put to sleep after a few competitive rounds.

And talk about level of opposition, what are you basing your assesments on Whyte exactly? Him going life and death with faded Chisora who went on to lose to a 16 fight novice?

 

I disagree, Whyte is a level above Chisora & Duhaupas. He just decided to fight Chisora instead of outboxing him on the back foot which he could have at any time. Helenius did ok in the first 2 rounds and went into survival mode. Remember when Scott went into survival mode vs King Kong. Yeah, I do. Funny how people were saying Scott is the person to blame for that King Kong showing and not crapping on Ortiz himself.

 

According to everybody on hear Wilder HAS to fight Whyte to make an AJ fight sell! Haha

 

Whyte almost knocked AJ out. He beat Chisora in a close decision, Chisora beat that rookie in many people's eyes. I had him 2 up. Are you really dissecting Whyte's hooks when defending Wilder's technique. My god, this is silly.
Szpilka was getting knocked out by Jennings years ago. Would Jennings stop Whyte, nope, would he hell.

I'd love to know who on Wilder's resume you think would beat Whyte.

 

The fight would sell pretty good right now. If Wilder beats Whyte the fight will sell very good. That's ALL there is to it. Its a business move. Nothing more. If people want to call it a duck, fine. You really have no idea about the business side of boxing.

 

I do but I just completely disagree. All the casuals in th UK know who Wilder is and have done for a while.
The only added value would be the US market which beating Whyte does nothing for.
AJ v Wilder would set records in the UK and that is a guarantee.

 

Exactly. Hearn keeps saying the fight right now isn't as big as it should be. Hence Wilder should fight Whyte.

 

It would sell quite well regardless because AJ is money. It would have nothing to do with Wilder. If Wilder takes out Whyte then it sells even better.

I find it astounding how people can't see that.

 

Correction: Whyte had one good round against AJ where he caught him in a reckless monent. Then went on to get beaten to a pulp.

I had Chisora beating Whyte 7-5, had Chisora/Kabayel a draw.

I'm dissecting Whyte's hooks because I've seen Wilder catch his opponents with right hands plenty times when they're lunging in with wide hooks. Wilder doesn't have the best technique, he gets very wide when he smells blood but he can throw a crisp, hard right hand and a decent 1-2. Wilder has the better foot and hand speed over Whyte, has the better jab in addition to having a massive reach and power advantages.

I'd give Jennings a slight edge over Whyte. But then again, I rate Jennings higher than most around here.

Stiverne from 3 years ago, and Duhaupas would be 50/50 with Whyte, who's by far the most overrated HW around here lately.

 

Hearn has already made AJ a household name in the UK. He wants to break the US because its a much bigger market. Hearn's plan is to make Wilder a bigger name in the US. Wilder is the biggest US HW right now, but he's not well known. AJ beating him in February won't help break America right now, it won't happen.

Whyte vs Wilder would be PPV in the UK and possibly in the US as well. It will be on Showtime though and will undoubtedly be Wilder's biggest fight to date with the biggest audience he's ever had. I could actually see Hearn wanting that fight in the states as well, seeing as he wants to establish himself/AJ/Wilder there.

 

No the answers simple, the financing required for those fights was covered by the lower level of ticket and PPV sales. The purses and guarantees for Wilder v AJ are 5 or 10 times than those of Breazeale or Takam so Hearn needs to ensure that people will buy into the fight. What Wilder wants is for Hearn to take a huge financial risk and offer him a $10Million+ purse, but why should Hearn do that?

Hearn a businessman, he knows the markets and he’s no doubt had unofficial talks with the TV networks so he understands the financial and boxing dynamics of building and selling this fight.

Wilder reminds me of those Dragons Den/Shark Tank entrepreneurs who value their idea in the millions but the business doesn’t stack up. They want half a million for 5% but haven’t actually proved the concept in the real world.

 

That's why Hearn wants Wilder to establish himself, by fighting Whyte. Its not rocket science.

 

We will never agree. Let' leave it there

 

Scott got knocked down 3 times... Ortiz did better against Scott than Whyte did vs Helenius.