Don't be so naive and just admit what your god damn eyes tell you, what we seen last night was a business move being executed. Ex manager and fight fixer Charles Farrell called this months ago and I've agreed with him all the way. The first fight with Stiverne was fixed, so Team Wilder already know that Stiverne is at that point in his career where he is down for a bit of 'business'. That's why Stiverne got the mandatory position. His last fight was against Derrick ****ing Rossy in 2015! That right there should tell you something is up! The Ortiz fight was never going to happen. It was never meant to happen. That was just a front to reduce the damage when it was finally announced that Wilder will be rematching Stiverne. "Wilder wanted to face the boogeyman but it's not his fault he failed a drugs test" kind of thing. Charles suggested that team Ortiz would have been in on the act & he would have got well compensated. At first, I wasn't too sure with Charles on this particular point, and I thought they had just threw Ortiz under the bus but I've noticed the WBC are now saying they might give Ortiz a pass for a 'genuine' mix up, and even the big networks were tweeting out photos of Ortiz at the fight last night with friendly captions such as "look who's in town". Not the sort of publicity normally given to a drug test failure. Despite Stiverne not being a marquee name, last night might have got Wilder some bargaining chips in the looming show down with Joshua. A first round KO has the casuals demanding the Joshua fight right now, and of course when they finally meet then both fighters can say they have KO'd every man they have faced (maybe one of the reasons why Stiverne was so corruptly drafted in as the mandatory, added to the aforementioned fact that's he is down for a bit of business). It will be huge. Last night was a business action that hit several birds with one stone.
Nah this fight was just a fat, old, inactive fighter getting retired. Now the Wilder v Scott fight was rigged.
I saw it this AM. It could have been fixed. A retired 39 year old who looked bad in his last outing 2 years ago shows up fat and lazy and loses in 1 round. How he leapfrogged all ranked fighters in " WBC rankings " is a sham. Its marketing, now Wilder can claim he KO'd every man he fought, even though Stiverene was never good to begin with and took Wilder the distance years ago. Who really cares about Wilder and his Burger King Belt. Fight someone ranked!
Not as much as you think, not when it will be compartmentalised like all seedy agreements. You really think the higher ups of the WBC, Al Haymon, Don King, Stiverne (who's being well compensated) & whoever was involved in Ortiz's team give a damn about the integrity of the sport. Everyone benefited last night. Christ, the Manhattan Project employed over 100,000 people and they kept that quiet for decades and you think a business decision in boxing is some sort of impossible task? It's happened thousands of times in boxing. Charles Farrell himself organised plenty, including one that went wrong with Leon Spinks & John Carlo! (Great story btw)
Yes, Wilder v Scott was fixed. He has had a couple of fixed fights now Wilder. It happens people, of course it f*cking happens! Get real man!
How do you know how much I think? I'm not convinced King cares one iota about integrity towards anything. I didn't say it was an impossible task. How much proof do you have for the thousands of fixes? I'll check the story out, thanks.
Looking back, my post appeared rather aggressive. But cmon, fixes happen all the time in boxing whether it's through judges, referees or the fighters themselves. There's no doubt fixing has happened thousands of times. Even Canelo vs Mayweather was a 'fixed' result with the MD. It's rampant. You should type into YouTube "next big pod Charles Farrell" and listen to the two interviews. He highlights many examples of fixed fights in those interviews including many he was involved in, and yes Ali Liston were both fixed. Farrell is one of the greatest writers in boxing today & most of his work can be found on deadspin, but I urge everyone to listen to those interviews. Some incredible stories as I mentioned about Carlo & Spinks, and how Farrell describes the plan was to get his fighter Mitch Green to fight Tyson in his first fight after prison before they eventually settled for McNelley which was also a betting coup.
Doesn't really matter. We Be Crooks is rotten to the core. We all know that. The fight was pointless and told us nothing. Other than Stiverne should retire and spend his purse cut on owning his own burger joint which is clearly his dream. Wilder now has to step up against proper top 10, preferably top 5 calibre to prove he is no fraud and a worthy champion.
Read some of his things. The Spinks vs Curry fight seems dodgey but more to poor organisation than anything else. Other things he says about getting an opponent for his man, doesn't really add up. Spinks lost the fight after Curry, Green never did get his title shot. Not really enough evidence to go off for me.
