GGG is - at the very least - the Greatest middleweight since Hagler

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Beouche, Oct 11, 2017.


??

  1. Yes

  2. No

Results are only viewable after voting.
  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,979
    9,810
    Aug 1, 2012
    You're obviously clueless.
     
  2. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    3,576
    2,517
    Jan 9, 2017
    Why keep this up? You know very well which judge was singled out for being incompotent or possibly corrupt.

    You constructed a nonsensical strawman from a non answer to a stupid loaded question, and have been arguing about itwith an imaginary antagonist for several pages now.

    My advice....apply your boundless energy to something more constructive.
     
    BCS8 and mirkofilipovic like this.
  3. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    3,576
    2,517
    Jan 9, 2017

    Canelo: "I am not A Middleweight Champion."

    You: "He isnt saying he's not a Middleweight Champion."

    You are trying to make apple juice from chicken. Which is why you have to ramble for pages on end explaining yourself amd going nowhere.
     
    BCS8 and mirkofilipovic like this.
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,979
    9,810
    Aug 1, 2012
    I asked you to specify whether you were alleging corruption / incompetence for all 3 judges of Canelo G or solely for Byrd. I asked this because the two other judges had the fight a draw or a narrow (close) G win as opposed to a clear G win which was being argued by a certain someone. You know very well what I was getting at and you chose to dumb down the conversation into your nonsensical tangent ("do you really have to ask that", "was it a yes/no question") rather than giving me a straight answer.
     
  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,979
    9,810
    Aug 1, 2012
    There's being a Middleweight Champion and there's being The Middleweight Champion. There's being an alphabet belt holder in a division and there's being the Lineal Champion. These are two different things and we have no way to know for sure whether he was referring to the WBC Title or the Lineal Title. Logic tell us he was referring to the WBC Title since he already won and vacated that title and at the time was still recognized as the Lineal Champ which one would not have any reason to vacate since it's not a physical title. Further if I'm not mistaken at that time he was holding the WBO 154-lb Title and naturally would consider himself the World Jr Middleweight Champion as opposed to the World Middleweight Champ at that time. The confusion is understandable, if you aren't paying attention to the details. Unfortunately for you, I pay attention to the details and am happy to spell it out for you.
     
  6. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    3,576
    2,517
    Jan 9, 2017
    I see you are still trying to explain how to make Apple juice from a chicken.
     
    BCS8 likes this.
  7. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    3,576
    2,517
    Jan 9, 2017
    I knew what you were getting at. You had an argument laid out in your head and you were determined to type it out no matter what, and you are still doing it.

    And why quote "was it a yes/no question" when I never wrote that. Good ****ing grief.

    You cant even quote someone right. The way you reworded my quote completely alters it, just what is the point in strawmans on a message board?
     
  8. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,749
    1,300
    Dec 8, 2012
    This sites voting is pretty damn inconsistent, didn't GGG lose a vote to Toney recently as to who would win at MW?!?!?
     
  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,979
    9,810
    Aug 1, 2012
    No, that's what you're talking about. What I'm talking about is the difference between being a Middleweight Champion and being the Lineal Middleweight Champion. I'm talking about boxing while you're talking about apple juice and chickens
     
  10. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    3,576
    2,517
    Jan 9, 2017
    Same thing. You are going on and on and on, trying to explain that "I'm not a MW Champion" doesnt mean "Im not a MW Champion." Its sad to see someone have this much and energy passion for the illogical.
     
  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,979
    9,810
    Aug 1, 2012
    LOL OK then, you stated emphatically that the question I asked wasn't a Yes / No question when it surely was. It was an either or : Either "Yes" you thought that all 3 judges were corrupt / incompetent or "No" you thought that Byrd was the only judge that was corrupt / incompetent.

    Since of course you made it clear that you felt that the judges (as in plural) were "corrupt/incomptent", my question was a perfectly reasonable question to ask, to which you naturally deflected with your nonsensical drivel.
     
  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,979
    9,810
    Aug 1, 2012
    Lets try this to illustrate this for you : Lets say you were to ask any boxer whether or not he was a Champion of a weight class. Surely the answer to that question would depend on whether he was holding a World Title Alphabet belt. If you asked Wilder if he is a Heavyweight Champion, he would say Yes becuase he holds the WBC World Title Belt. We know he doesn't consider himself the Lineal Champion.

    Alvarez was sitting there back in April as the current WBO 154-lb Title Holder and he's being asked if he's still a Middleweight Champion. At that moment he was the Jr Middleweight Champion, not the Middleweight Champion any longer. He had vacated the Middleweight Championship the year before. (the WBC Middleweight Championship, not the Lineal Middleweight Championship)
     
  13. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

    41,974
    4,028
    Sep 22, 2010
    so.. you've been told that I am not bovvered 6 times now. and you keep replying with "ah so then I deduce you are very bovvered!"

    are you living in a land where words mean the opposite of what they really mean?
     
  14. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,398
    903
    Nov 24, 2012
    Rewatching it I said 4 being generous with the last round. I’ve been consistent. Don’t get an aneurysm looking to fight a battle that’s not there shadow. Lol. Relax. You shouldn’t be so hell bent on my credibility when the judges are the ones who got it wrong. You’re far too emotionally invested in this and on the wrong side of the fence. No one said you have to take me seriously. I don’t take you too seriously, especially given the platform.

    In the LL/Holyfield and Whitaker/Chavez fight I believe those judges had been influenced in some capacity as well. This is just another example of how boxing has deep rooted issues that span different eras. It’s not just my reasoning and rationale...there’s been proof and investigations that proved promoters influence on big fights. It’s just not all of them have been proven. It doesn’t mean the sport is completely clean.

    It’s funny to me that you are in your own reality yet question mine. You are unfortunately in a very isolated group and minority on your perception of the GGG/Alvarez fight. Sometimes delusion is not apparent for those who are plagued by it. It’s really hard to see the picture when inside the frame bud. Just a thought.

    You want so bad for people to agree with you that Alvarez won or for me to see things through the lens you have but the fight just wasn’t close and Alvarez didn’t win. I think the vast number of people who have already said Golovkin won clearly speaks to that. If you honestly believe the judges were right, that says more about you and your “reality” than the round by round deep dive you tend to lean on. If you feel I’ve failed, so be it. I’m good with that. Just know there’s far more people that are reading your posts who feel the same way about your struggles. Good luck with your efforts
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2017
    BCS8 likes this.
  15. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,398
    903
    Nov 24, 2012
    Lol. I shouldn’t laugh. You seem to be struggling. The “bold” indicates you are trying to get across an important message but whatever it is I’m still not seeing it? This my not be an outlet that’s healthy for you kid. Still concerned about you
     
    BCS8 likes this.