Lennox Lewis vs Joe Frazier

Obviously tuas knockout highlites would be far greater than Fraziers. Frazier does not have the chin of tua and a guy like Ibeubuchi would literally walk through a Frazier type guy too...the reason why Tua could keep up with ike was his size/thick neck and bigger bone structure its that simple.

Now put a smaller structured Frazier with Lewis? Its clear who wins against a actual elite 6'5 fighter vs a very small swarmer EASY to hit and would be perfect for a crushing Lewis overjand right coming straight down on his noggin....lights out!..


the vid shows your rendition of Frazier is not actually reality and that was that of Tua like girth and built ???lol

you are also not a fighter so you would be irrelevant to compare yourself here ,even if you benched 500 pounds. However a fighter who physically strong and KNOWS how to fight would reap the advantages of weight lifting.

 

"miles" ?
And you say I'm talkin rubbish.

Tales of tape don't prove much.
Most the measurements that show Tua to be bigger than Frazier show Tua to be "bigger than" LENNOX LEWIS TOO !
So are you claiming Lewis was smaller than Tua ?

 

Where are the videos of Tua lifting weights at 12 years old anyway ?

 

In the body yes I am! Tua's chest was 49.5inches! Yes you are talking rubbish !

 

"in the body" .... what does that mean ?
Obviously we're talking about bodies.

Lennox was bigger than Tua.
You think that's rubbish. Ok.

 

Tale Of The Tape
November 11, 2000
For the WBC and IBF heavyweight title fight between Lennox Lewis and David Tua tonight in Las Vegas:

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Lewis Tua

Record 37-1-1 37-1



Knockouts 29 32

Age 35 27

Weight 249 245

Height 6-5 5-10

Reach 84 69

Chest (normal) 44 49

Chest (exp.) 46 51

Biceps 17 19 1/2

Forearm 15 15

Waist 34 38

Thigh 26 30

Calf 18 19 3/4

Neck 18 1/2 19

Wrist 8 8 1/2

Fist 12 13
Now ,apart from overall weight ,and height show me where Lewis is bigger than Tua?

One thing I have noticed since we have been debating,admitting you are wrong is not something you do!

 

I'm afraid this is your opinion running wild here. And to quite ludicrous extents.

Ibeabuchi was a "what if" guy. There is absolutely no evidence ike could "walk through" any world class career heavyweight is there? He did not walk through Tua did he? Byrd was a blown up middleweight who dropped down the divisions at the end of his career. all the other guys ike fought were not worth a cheese sandwich.

Your talking about a man who beat an unbeaten Muhammad Ali being "walked right through" by a non champion based only on attributes like a strong looking neck and bone structure??

At least Lennox Lewis was a great champion!

 

Absolutely not. You are utterly wrong with your assumptions. I object to this Troll nonsense. I assume it's only You cannot disagree that Frazier was better against Ali than he was against Ron Stander that you painstakingly trawl through my posts looking to "trip me up". You have nothing.

I am not the one calling "everyone" on the board who votes for the man who beat Ali "stupid". Ring Magazine rates Frazier above Ali.

My opinion is not unreasonable. I rate Lewis above Frazier overall but I simply believe there was a small window where Joe would have beat most world Champions and I include Lewis among them.

I have demonstrated many times where Lewis either showed enough caution or took time to come to terms with shorter swarming type guys of a much lower calibre to Frazier to select Joe over Lewis. Yet this seems to be offensive to you?

 

I don't painstakingly trawl through your posts, you bore, tbh.Trolls always do.

 

Don't worry he's put me on ignore because I dared to say Lewis got a gift against Mercer and avoided a rematch....

 

Sounds like him...

 

I'm not talking about "tale of the tape", I'm talking about overall size.
Height is a big part of size. A bit more relevant than wrist or calf measurement.
If a man walks in a room and he's 6'6 and strong build I don't wait to check out his bloody tale-of-the-tape before calling him a big man.
"Oh, the short guy has an inch more chest and much thicker calves, and only weighs a pound less .... he must be the bigger man"
That's nonsense. The tall guy is the bigger man.

What about arm length, leg length, length of torso ?
Is length not a dimension of overall size ?

I said Frazier is about the same size as Tua.
Tua is noticeably stockier but overall they are about the same size. Overall size.
My original comment is in relation to being equipped to FIGHT against Lewis.
Tua actually has smaller reach and height than Frazier.
Tua has shorter arms, shorter legs probably.

What am I wrong about ?
I will happily concede that Tua is bigger in girth and stockiness than Frazier, and noticeably.
I don't think he's much bigger in overall size.
I'll concede he is bigger.
If I have said categorically that Frazier and Tua are exact same size, I was wrong.
They are roughly the same.

I certainly won't be following you in saying Tua is bigger than Lennox Lewis or George Foreman.

 

Haven't seen any admission of being wrong on this yet, mcvey.

The RING Magazine May 2017 poll was combined work of 30 experts, named and identified.

Joe Frazier #8
Lennox Lewis #11 tied

 

I happily admit I'm wrong about everything I have stated.
I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong.
I'd rather be remembered as someone who was wrong and admitted it than a man who always thought he was always right.

I shall reflect on how "idiotic" and "stupid" it all was.

I retire from this debate.

I retire from this forum.

Peace.

















P.S.
Respect to Joe Frazier.

 

Lets see who is truly stupid shall we.

Show me where i, "JohnThomas1", used the word "stupid" (as clearly stated by you above) to describe anyone who had the inclination to suggest that one ATG could possibly beat another ATG.

Again, lets see who's truly stupid

Put up or shut up.