1991 foreman vs Marciano

Even a stylistic advantage will only get you so far when you are past your prime.

Joe Frazier would have absolutely destroyed the older Foreman, I am convinced of it!

 

OK so what to Jersey Joe Walcott, Archie Moore, and Bernard Hopkins all have in common.

They are all defensive specialists.

They all have styles that optimize economy of effort.

Boxing is a sport for young men, and the men who beat the odds, are generally the men who have the style for it.

Foreman decidedly did not have the style for longevity, and it is a testament to his ungodly physical attributes, that he was able to be anything at that age!

 

Disagree here, one thing foreman did better as the older version is throw straighter punches and economize them

 

I see people are exaggerating Marciano's advantages while forgetting about Foreman's advantages....

 

What advantages did the bald version have though? He couldn't beat Morrison, Savarse, Stewart, or Axcel Schulzut as a bald man but he's going to beat a top #5 ATG?. Take out the gift decisions and he is not even getting the Moorer fight to land the one second of that fight that he won.

Nobody would pick Ernie Terrell to beat Marciano. Or Pinklon Thomas to beat Marciano. But those two guys beat Bald Foreman.

 

Yes, but he was no more suited to that style than Max Baer was.

He was basically a natural slugger, shoehorning himself into the only possible style, for his ageing body.

I don't know how he got as far as he did to be honest!

 

I'll go with Rocky, old and slow vs Marciano's relentless attack? Old fighters do not like a fast pace, and I think that will be the story here.

Foreman wasn't the hardest hitter, and cherry picked opponents in the 1990's. I'd give him a chance though.

 

I don't know how to make this anymore clear to you, and the other people with the Marciano brigade. The worst thing you can try to do with Foreman is come right at him, with little to know head movement, flat footed, and try and win a slugfest. That is the worst possible strategy to employ, never mind Foreman uppercutting the living daylights out of a flat footed fighter who comes forward from a crouch position. This is rocket science here.

Your examples are utterly useless and show the depth you're going to, to try and find a way Marciano wins this. I'll play along, if Walcott and Moore can drop Marciano, and stun him (blackout for moments), what on God's Green Earth is Foreman going to do? This isn't wild swinging for the fences with nothing but hooks Foreman. This is a foreman who mainly relied on his ram rod for a jab and a right cross, and some uppercuts. Foreman's jab alone would like cut Marciano and his right cross would certainly do more than others who put Marciano down.

It's possible Marciano stays away enough to win a decision, but that isn't his style at all. However, it's just as likely Foreman catches him coming in, and brutalizes him.

 

Not the hardest hitter? okay......

 

I hear you and the film I posted of guido Trane shows that Rocky would do just fine against Bald Foreman. Trane was more flat footed than Marciano. And He came straight at Foreman. He had no head movement. And he tried to win a slugfest without any of Marcianos punch power. And Guido did okay. He traded with George. It was only a cut that stopped him..

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I'm seeing a lot of film of Foreman just 12 months into his comeback after a 10 year long absence. One would think that after a 10 year break he'd hardly be at his best a year into his comeback. Hmmmmmm

 

Trane? Didn't he fight him in 1988 and wasn't Trane more than 190 pound and didn't Trane get stopped. Rocky would not last against Foreman. The punching power and strength difference is too much.

 

No one from his own era, not even Charlie Goldman, referred to Marciano as fast or even quick.

And in regards to Wilder, 220 is plenty big enough to hit as hard as a human could punch. In regards to punching power, there are just diminishing returns to extra, functional weight above a certain point (I imagine that point is around 220-230). I don't think anyone claims otherwise.

That said, Wilder hits so damn hard because he sells out on his punches as tho he were hitting a carnival punching bag. Shavers used to sell out on his punches, also. The problem is when Wilder faces a decent boxer who times that shot and puts him on his @ss. Once that happens, I suspect he won't be able to adjust and will keep eating the same shots.

 

Why do you insist on showing fights where Foreman ends up stopping guy, and doing so rather easily to prove your point? That just makes no sense to me. It's like me listing reasons why Canelo would lose, by showing rounds of his fight Khan fight; where he didn't finish him, but a few rounds later, he put his light out.

 

One thing that older Foreman did well was use his jab. He had to. I could see George busting up Rocky with that big jab. At 6-3 250 lbs he is going to be able to push Marciano away when he wants to and make Rocky have to work his way back inside. The size difference is just too much here.