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Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Beouche, Nov 6, 2017.


  1. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Sergey vs Beterbiev would be WICKED. It would be a fight where both guys could possibly hit the deck. 175 is ****ing STACKED. Exciting times ahead.
     
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  2. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah no doubt. Those other guys in my opinion are every bit as dangerous as Kovalev is and call me crazy... but I think Gvozdyk is a little more skilled.
     
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  3. navigator

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    Even if he'd continued, I doubt he'd ever have fought at 175 again. In the couple months after Kovalev II, he was talking about making a big statement or bowing out.

    For what they could offer him, none of those three guys were worth Ward busting his ass in another gruelling training camp. If he'd ever fought again, I believe it would've been to attempt the jump to heavyweight, which was always a stated ambition of his.

    (I don't really put much stock in Hearn's claim that Ward offered Buglioni a fight. Doesn't seem to add up, given that Ward was bound to take a few months off after such a demanding camp/fight and Eddie made that statement barely three months after.)
     
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  4. Serge

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  5. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Lol at Coward picking a guy who himself knows he's not ready for that level.... then running away like a scared little kitten when he realizes who he'd have to engage with

    How would you rank those 4 EE Beasts Serge?
     
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  6. navigator

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    Odd one. Given that Ward's camp were publically indefinite on what his next move would be after Kovalev, I'd guess it was just a speculative enquiry, one of a few possible options they were looking at.

    Didn't Bellew also say that he'd heard from Andre?


    These statements from July and August are the most telling for me of where his head was at;

    "Maybe cruiserweight, I don't know. Cruiserweight, heavyweight, that's always been a dream of mine. I dream big and anything is possible."

    "The resumé is there, the big fights are there, the victories and the big moments are there. It just has to be the right situation. At 33 years old, at this stage of my career, I've got to go big or go home."
     
  7. Serge

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    Kovalev, Beterbiev, Gvozdyk and Bivol?

    1. Kovalev because he's the most proven as a pro

    2. Gvozdyk/Beterbiev/Bivol are all very talented and promising and we're going to find out how good they are and where they sit in the pecking order in the very near future. They could all possibly beat Kovalev or each other on their nights. Time will tell
     
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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yeah I remember that quote

    Yeah they were in negotiations with Bellew too.

    They offered the fight to Callum Johnson. Apparently, according to Joe Gallagher, everything was agreed on and they signed but HBO turned it down

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    Incredible. Joe Gallagher said in his IFL interview Callum Johnson had AGREED terms with Andre Ward, but HBO turned the fight down.

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  9. Kevin Willis

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    Beterbiev is fighting in Fresno of all places. Perhaps all the Armenians their will come out and support him but I doubt it.
     
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  10. Kevin Willis

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    As of now and the near future Beterbiev is the best of them all. A unification with Kovalev after they both secure their respective belts coming up would be incredible. No A side, privileged Western diva B.S., corrupt commissions/officials to pollute the fight just two monsters with a neutral ref and judges getting out of their freakin' way.
     
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  11. Serge

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    Beterbiev beat 2 of the other 3 in the amateurs.

    Kovalev on a razor-close points decision (by a single point) in their official figh

    And he beat Gvozdyk when he forced him to retire in his corner with a broken nose

    His power alone is a threat to anyone at 175 but he's intelligent too

    John Scully touches on both in this interview

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    Another interview with Scully on Beterbiev

    Connecticut-based trainer and former world light heavyweight title challenger “Iceman” John Scully worked for five weeks in camp with Beterbiev and is very high on his latest charge. UCNLive caught up with Scully to get the lowdown on the fast-rising powerhouse.


    Bill Tibbs: Hi John, how are you doing?

    Iceman John Scully: Good, thanks.

    BT: How did you end up in camp with Artur Beterbiev?

    IJS: Well, I got the call from (Beterbiev trainer) Marc Ramsay to see if I could come up to Montreal to help him out. (Ramsay) was busy working with (David) Lemieux and a few other things going on. Plus he had to leave town for a bit. In the end, I was up there for about five-to-six weeks.

    BT: You have been very big on Beterbiev for a while now. You’ve been around a lot of good fighters, so a guy with less than 10 fights, who gets your attention like this, must have something special.


    IJS: I remember talking to (trainer and television personality) Russ Anber a couple of years back when (Beterbiev) had like four fights or something and Russ was raving about this guy. He was saying, ‘You gotta see this guy, the power he has. He could fight for a title right now.’ The guy had 300 amateur fights; he hammered Tavoris Cloud in his sixth fight. I mean, he beat Rayco Saunders in his second fight. If you aren’t at the top of your game, Rayco is going to be a tough, tough night. He is a very live guy if you aren’t ready and Artur beat him in his second fight. I was speaking to his sparring partners and they were saying how many days they had until they got to go home. They had gotten more than their share of his power. They were saying it kind of joking but they were all talking about how strong and powerful he was.

    BT: He looks very strong.

    IJS: It’s not just power – which he has a lot of – but it’s killer instinct. I mean, this guy goes in there looking to get you out of there.

    BT: How did camp go working with him?

    IJS: It was great. He tries everything you ask of him. He is open to try anything. He works very hard. You don’t have to remind him to do anything you have asked of him; he is on the case. It’s all about the work with him. He is very old-school, no music, just himself, just wants to work. And he is great to work with because he is a really nice guy.

    BT: He’s fought and beaten some very experienced guys in a short pro career. Does this speak to his amateur experience?

    IJS: Yes, it does but not just his 300 amateur fights but fights against very tough competition. Everyone talks about his win over (Sergey) Kovalev (in 2007 in the Russian Championships semifinals) but he fought a lot of very tough guys in the amateurs. He has a lot of experience and a lot of power. I would say two things: One is that all those amateur fights do mean something, without a doubt. And, second, his conditioning and drive is not an issue at all. He is in great shape; he works very hard and is already a 12-round fighter. He is such a hard worker and he wants to learn all the time. He has a great attitude. He also realizes that there is not only a difference between the pros and the amateurs but there is a big difference between the pros and the European amateur style. He questions everything; he wants to learn all the time. He is a perfectionist; he wants to be the best.

    BT: He is going to be a fun guy to follow.

    IJS: His future looks very bright. He has a great coach in Marc, a good situation in Montreal; he has power and great conditioning. He has a very bright future and I’d be very surprised if he didn’t win a world title.
     
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  12. Farmboxer

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    Kovalev was cheated in the SOB fights. He won the titles by fighting for them, SOB cheated for them. Should have been disqualified for the testicle blows which are clearly illegal! He also won the first fight...........
     
  13. Farmboxer

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    I have always liked Scully. He could have been a world champion, I haven't spoken to him for years!
     
  14. navigator

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    Lame fights that would've served no purpose other than keeping him in tune while setting up something more significant.

    I liked the heavyweight idea, didn't see much worth in any other move for Ward. Jack? No point. Beterbiev, Gvozdyk and Bivol don't offer Ward a lot at present. Try to do business with Stevenson? F that guy, he's barely relevant anymore, lineage or no lineage.

    Short of a Roy-like heavyweight tilt (I could certainly see Andre outpointing a guy like Parker), retirement seems apt.
     
  15. Robney

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    At the end of the month we have Kovalev WBO, Bivol WBA, Beterbiev IBF and Pimp WBC.
    Seems highly unlikely that Kova and Betterboxiev lose against their respective opponents.
     
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