Do we need a SHW division?

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Do we need a SHW Division?

  1. No

    25 vote(s)
    78.1%
  2. Yes (What weight?)

    2 vote(s)
    6.3%
  3. 230lb

    2 vote(s)
    6.3%
  4. 235lb

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. 240lb

    3 vote(s)
    9.4%
  6. 245lb

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I see constant talk of fighter A not having a chance against fighter B because he is way too small despite being the smaller fighter.

    How can that be fair on the more talented regular sized HW's? The typical reply is "Well Joe Louis knocked out plenty of big HW's, if you're good enough you're big enough!"

    I think it's fair to say the bigger fighters have moved on since those times, they are much more talented big men nowadays. The proof is in the pudding, seeing a smaller elite HW these day's is as rare as hens teeth.
     
  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    We need Jr Super Heavy, Super Heavy and Super Super Heavy divisions with Silver Continental Interim versions of each.
     
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  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sure. Andy Ruiz can finally go off his diet. And Big Baby Miller can top out at 320. And they can fight for the vacant belt.

    People used to bring it up when guys like Valuev were around.

    Now the heaviest heavyweights are guys like Miller and Ruiz. Average-height fat guys.
     
  5. Balder

    Balder Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Yeah.

    Fighters over 240 lb
     
  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I vote no. A SHW would only contribute more to the degradation and circus side show patina that the modern boxing scene is afflicted with.
     
  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    With ever top project seemingly 6'4"-6'9" tall these days, boxing fans could be missing out on some good fights.

    I would be okay up moving the cruiserweight division limit to 210 pounds. This way we could see some good fights between 5'11" and 6'2" tall boxers weighing in at 200-220 pounds on the fight night. A man with the best weight of 220 pounds could make weight, same as the lower weights do. This would not hurt the heavyweight division as top ranked contenders at 210 pounds or less is extremely rare.
     
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  8. JohnThomas1

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    Yeah it's not like Deontay Wilder could compete with these guys at 220 pounds.
     
  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    No it should stay as is. The tide will swing back in the other direction one day. Smaller HW's are capable of dealing with the larger SHW's physically, all that's missing is the skill. Would 6'2 208 lb Holyfield who beat Foreman be too small for Anthony Joshua? Would 6'3 220 pound George Foreman be too little for Deontay Wilder?
     
  10. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good point but let's not forget Foreman was a fat pensioner at the time.
     
  11. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not really, that's not a good compromise for the smaller HW's that couldn't make CW. It's all good and well saying there will be another Evander Holyfield, where the hell has he been for the last 15+ years.......
     
  12. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    The WBC is currently looking into if there should be another weight class at the top.
     
  13. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Over the past 15 years, let's see:

    * James Toney moved up to heavyweight. Knocked out Holyfield, won the WBA title from John Ruiz, got busted for PEDs and was a top contender at heavyweight for a number of years.

    * Steve Cunningham moved up to heavyweight, floored Tyson Fury, fought in a final heavyweight eliminator with Czar Glazkov and got robbed. Otherwise Cunningham would've faced Charles Martin for the Vacant IBF belt.

    * David Haye moved up to heavyweight. Won the WBA heavyweight title from Valuev, who outweighed him by 100 pounds and was a foot taller. Destroyed longtime champ John Ruiz, lost to Hall of Famer Wlad Klitschko. Fighting another former cruiserweight champ (Bellew) next. Winner will be in the heavyweight title picture.

    * Marco Huck moved up to heavyweight. Appeared to beat the hell out of Alexander Povetkin in a WBA heavyweight title fight but lost a controversial decision.

    * Oleksandr Usyk was a longtime dominant amateur. Is currently unifying the cruiserweight division. Is expected to compete at heavyweight after that.

    So, in the past 15 years, in an era with Lewis and the Klitschkos, two cruiserweight champs did win heavyweight titles, another (Huck) probably should've been given the nod, and a fourth is about to make his move (Usyk).

    Until cruiserweight champs can't compete with heavyweights, the sport should leave well enough alone.
     
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  14. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, Andy Ruiz isn't going to win a title otherwise, is he?
     
  15. pernellaaron

    pernellaaron Active Member Full Member

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    The biggest pay days will still be at the heaviest weight. All this will lead to is fighters putting on more weight (usually not muscle) to compete there.