ChokLab Says This Clip Proves Louis Was The Same Size As Foreman and Norton

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mcvey, Nov 8, 2017.


  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    again, Foreman is clearly and unquestionably BIGGER than Louis. That is the discussion. People are claiming Louis is the same size as Foreman, and that simply isn't true.
     
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  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Bottom line he had beaten nobody of any consequence.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Joe Louis was six feet and one and a half inches tall this is from Joe Louis himself .

    Do you think he was lying ? If so why? Don't you think he would be best positioned to know how tall he was?
    I challenge you directly now to show one measurement that I have given in this thread that is :
    1.Incorrect
    2.An exaggeration

    I made this thread specifically to rebut Choklabs LIE that Joe Louis was, and here below, I am quoting him directly

    "at least the same size as Foreman and Norton".
    He was not. I have provided Tale of the Tape links of the Foreman and Norton fight, and tale of the tape links of the Louis v Max Baer fight.
    I took Choklab's own age criteria of a 24 years old Foreman when he was 217.5lbs to fight Frazier.
    I then compared it to 24 years old Louis' weight for his fight with Jack Kraken .Louis scaled 181lbs for that fight.
    That is a weight disparity of 36.5lbs!
    If I wanted to do what you have accused me of I would have used Foreman's box rec height of 6'3.5".
    I have not done so ,I have used the shorter measurement for Foreman of 6'3" .
    This is exactly the opposite of what you have accused me of doing!
    If you had half a brain you would have noticed that ,but your personal animosity towards me blinded you to the facts and as usual prevents you from ever exhibiting a semblance of objectivity.
    I have no interest in predicting who would win a head 2 head matchup between Louis and either Foreman or Norton on this thread and have repeatedly said so.
    My sole interest is in telling the truth, something you would not recognize if you fell over it!
    I have absolutely no agenda in making this thread other than exposing Choklab's quote for what it was,a deliberate and cynical ,agenda driven lie!

    If you believe this thread is a waste of time, why have you contributed to it?
    You have taken Choklab's part because you once tried to get me banned here when your username was Mongoose.
    When that did not work you left in high dudgeon, like a little boy who has had a goal disallowed for being offside.
    In effect what you did was go into a sulk and say," Im taking my ball and going home".
    Before you left you made disgusting personal remarks concerning paedophilia which I will not dignify by elaborating on.
    You know what I think of you,because I told you ,there is no need to repeat it.
    Then you crawled back here with your tail between your legs ,changing your user name in the process!

    I offered you an olive branch which you ignored, fine I don't like you, or your content anyway.


    Now I've told you your fortune and given some newer posters some background about your grubby history.And it was a pleasure to do so!"

    Now I await your answer to my challenge ,show where I have exaggerated a single measurement on this thread?
    I am waiting for your reply!
     
  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    According to the interview the fights with Federico malibran were of quite some consequence in Cuba. For Nino (who fought Charles, Moore, Liston, Johnson, miteff, Jackson, Louis, Satterfeild, Machen, London) to look back on his career as an old man and point out his Earlier bouts with Malibran were wars shows that he thought he beat man of real consequence. after nine years as a pro Nino was surely already as good as he was going to get. He just needed more opportunity.
     
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  5. mcvey

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    Malibran's record is 34-22-1 with 17ko losses , he had beaten no one of any stature when he fought Valdes. Valdes had beaten no one of any stature when he boxed Louis in an exhibition.
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    what if Joe Louis really believed he was six feet one and a half himself but it turned out all the guys ever measured to be six feet one and a half in his day really were 6'3"?

    Really one and a half inches is not enough difference to notice.

    Some people round their height down. Some round their height up. Some people give their height in shoes some give it in bare foot.

    I have seen Henry Cooper listed as 6'1" but he was so much taller than Floyd Patterson who is listed as 6 foot. Henry was also not that noticeably shorter than Ali.
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    But let's pretend for a moment the Cuban fight scene produced great fighters but because most of them never leave the island and only fight each other it is difficult to rate them against the fighters of the rest of the world?

    Imagine an island where the only two heavyweights were joe Louis and Muhammad Ali. The islanders watch them rematch each other for nine years over and over but when one of them visits America their record dosnt look so good to outsiders because statistically he lost half his fights in Cuba to a guy they never heard of.

    Bottom line, after nine years a boxer is as good as he is going to be.
     
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  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't do pretend. To answer you other comment Jersey Joe Walcott wasn't.Neither was Archie Moore.
     
  9. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Again, it depends. Especially in case of Norton.
     
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  10. Entaowed

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    One & a 1/2 inches is usually notable.
    Proper height is taken in bare feet & not tilting the head up.
    The vast majority of folks that do any rounding-round their heights up.
    Athletes too, for vanity & to seem more imposing.
    We can see Louis is not 6' 3" & the idea that everyone ANYTIME routinely might take significant height off their measuments is ridiculous.

    Anyway the MAIN things that makes Foreman significantly larger than Louis is both bone structure & muscle.
    Norton is ! identical in height, has about as much muscle...But Foreman has a larger/thicker bone structure.
     
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  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes some people of the same size can appear heavier set. But who would have thought Norton, Foreman and joe Louis would have all looked like big guys together? That their heads were comparable. Sometimes you see a guy who might be as tall as a heavyweight boxer but he has a tiny head or a long neck. This was not the case.
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    What if ? Why waste time and space with what if's nonsense? Place it with your "pretend post,"it's infantile speculation.
    I've proved my point with tale of tapes ,respective weights,Louis's own opinion, and I'm content with that.

    This thread has gone 9 pages because "The Earth Is Flat Gang", can't be wrong and have to ascribe sinister motives to someone trying to show the truth .Ridiculous!
     
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  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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