Why wilder vs joshua needs to happen asap

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Glass City Cobra, Nov 10, 2017.


  1. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    2 undefeated big strong heavyweights. Both are ko artists and belt holders.

    So whats the problem? There shouldnt be. Im not going to argue politics, business, or the blame game. None of that matters to me because im not making a single cent from this fight, and it shouldnt matter to you either (unless you work for team wilder or team joshua). Im a boxing fan and i want to see an undisputed heavyweight champion.

    The last time we had this much excitement was when Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe were in negotiaions. We all know what happened: it never happened! It would be an absolute travesty if history repeated itself.

    So heres a few reasons this fight needs to happen asap. If not early next year then in the fall of 2018:

    -Neither guy is getting younger. Joshua and Wilder are 28 and 32. Nowadays that prime for a boxer. Neither guy has taken too much damage and havent suffered from serious injuries, wars, etc. The last thing we need is for this to drag out another 2-3 years and one of them loses or is past his prime and we get a dull fight.

    -there is no need to build anymore "hype" people are already talking about it. As we saw with the recent bermain stiverne ko, social media has changed boxing promotion for the better. Stiverne was named "donkey of the day" on the breakfast club and he even had a shooting stars meme.

    Similar to the first point, the last thing we need is a repeat of the dull mayweather/pacquiao affair. The fight would sell itself. Boxing needs a new big man to get people talking again and this is the perfect opportunity.

    -the more fights they take, the bigger the risk. As we saw when lennox was koed by oliver mccal and when bowe lost to holyfield, or when pacquiao was koed by marquez, playing stall tactics and fighting other guys can derail future plans for everyone. Hypothetically, if wilder fought whyte next and lost, that would kill the hype. Aj already beat whyte so no one would be excited to see that again. Or if aj loses to parker...good for boxing, horrible for a potential showdown with wilder. Just get the damn fight over with and then we can move on.

    The way i see it, if you disagee, youre not a true boxing fan. I dont care about who "deserves" what, i just want to see some good fights.
     
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  2. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    if they stall around one or both will get ko'd in the meantime. neither is all that good.
     
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  3. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'd like to see them fight soon. Plus there's really not any other big fights to be made in the division that are creating much buzz.

    It would be good for the heavyweight division because the loser would create some interest with comeback fights and a new star might emerge. And the most obvious is it would make a rematch more plausible. Maybe even a trilogy of fights.

    Let's face it, the heavyweight division is pretty dreadful right now and these ivory tower champions don't help matters.
     
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  4. JeremyCorbyn

    JeremyCorbyn Active Member Full Member

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    As a boxing fan though, it is healthy for the sport if the fight is as big as it can be. The HW division is kind of the the shop window for boxing, the showpiece event.

    I like it when my friends who aren't interested in boxing suddenly become interested in a fight, you can make a night of it, get the beers in, some food, it's an event.

    So if the fight happens soon, great, but I do think this fight could be huge if Wilder just fought one or two guys who aren't half dead, someone decent, who hasn't got a massive beer gut. No one is impressed by him knocking out a fat guy pushing 40 who likes he just crawled out of bed, Wilder needs to do his bit by creating a bit of hype, a bit of electricity, which so far he hasn't.
     
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  5. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    These days highly anticipated fights have to "marinate" apparently. The word used to be using in cooking but has been brought into common use by ****head promoters like fishnet DLH.

    Like most on here I just want to see the fight and can't be ****ed with all the posturing.

    Just get it on ffs.
     
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  6. SnatchBox

    SnatchBox Boxing Full Member

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    hopefully it happens late 2018 at the absolute latest.
     
  7. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    It's only big in the mind of boxing fan. AJ is a superstar in Europe but Wilder is a nobody on both side of the pond.
    Ideally, for it to be a super fight in US, Joshua needs to defend his title one time in the States, preferably a known American opponent.
    And Wilder had his chance for years to get his name out but gotten no where because he is fighting bum.
    It will only sells if it happens in UK and it's all because of AJ.
    AJ will sell just the same with Parker.
    Wilder is way below Bowe and Pac in terms popularity. There's no comparison at all.
     
  8. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Hold up...Parker is on par with Wilder in terms of draw, GTFOH...that's simply not accurate. I get it, you don't want the fight to happen, but to suggest Parker is as big a draw is BS.
     
  9. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    No lol.. I like to see the fight. I'm just pointing out its not a super fight because of the different stature of the 2.
    All AJ fights in the UK is a super fight regardless his opponent. And I think AJ Wilder and AJ Parker will sell about the same in UK.
    So in my opinion Wilder and his management can shout all they want on social media about how AJ avoiding this fight, but in reality is Wilder holds no cards.
     
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  10. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    That's fine, as long as it's understood Hearn/AJ are making the choice not to fight Wilder.
     
  11. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're a non-boxing fan if you think boxers shoulnd't take risks. As for Pacman, LL etc losing, it did nothing AT ALL to their box office attraction. Like if AJ gets Knocked out vs Parker in March, those fans who paid for the PPV won't just suddenly vanish into oblivion. They would still pay to see AJ vs Wilder, just as they still wanted Pacman to face FMJ, and LL to face Holyfield and Tyson.
     
  12. pincai

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    They are in talks at the moment, maybe they can built it up to be a bigger fight at the end of next year.
    If not they will have to stage in UK or else it's just not financial feasible to guarantee $20m plus to bring AJ to the states.
    Wilder demands of home court and purse parity just don't add up.
     
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  13. JeremyCorbyn

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    Yeah good point. It doesn't actually matter too much if one of these guys did lose, as long as they are still perceived as the best two heavyweights in the world by the public.

    The big problem though with the public (I'm talking about sport fans who just have a passing interest in boxing), is that Wilder isn't perceived as one of the top two fighters, he isn't perceived as anything, because they don't know who he is. Why? Partly marketing maybe, but partly because he has been fighting complete and utter bums, so his fights generate zero interest. No one other than boxing fans even know he fought last week.
     
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  14. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I was waiting for someone to say this.

    If AJ's fights sell out no matter who the opponent

    And wilder supposedly isnt very popular

    Then theres no excuse to not make the fight happen.
     
  15. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I never said boxers shouldnt take risks. I said when theres a big fight to be made, especially unification, its better to get it over with than risk the fight never happening. Which is better on wilders resume: undisputed and winner over joshua and parker or some journeyman named dillard white? He can always fight the b and c level guys later.

    Yes it did hurt lennoxs career. He was only earning $2-5 million a fight after mccal trashed him, he had to rebuild himself. Thatsmore than you or i make obviously, but he was making 10-15 million in his biggest fights. Thats a huge difference. He didnt make that kind of money again till he fought the big name american heavies in holyfield tyson, etc.

    Some people estimated bowe vs lewis could have grossed well over $70 million if they fought in their primes.