Hence skeptic. What separates a skeptic from a hater in my eyes, is that a hater cares more about pursuing their agenda against a fighter, than they do about what is actually true.
It's nothing to do with hatred and you know it. This is just something you say every time you have no answer to the factual points I make. Bald George was hit at will by every good fighter he ever met, and he did not select the best elite punchers to fight. A faded 5'7" Dwight Qawi had bad knees but still hit George on the chin too many times. Moorer was not an ATG career heavyweight. George did not deserve a shot at the title. George ducked a rematch with Schulz and dumped his belts to avoid him. George point blank refused a fight with Anders Eklund. At no point was bald George close to being regarded as the best heavyweight in the World. In fact Michael Bentt proved to be better. On his comeback George was always years past his prime and Over weight. Bottom line, Bald Foreman and George Foreman are two different propositions entirely. One Foreman (George)was a great fighter. The other Foreman (bald) produced very little real substance beyond contender fare.
And Everything I have said about comeback George is true. If I look at what is true about Marciano in his prime I see an ATG fighter that even a bigger champion needs to be at his best to beat. If I look at what is true about bald Foreman I see he is not in his prime, he was selective, did not beat career heavyweight elite champions and he was never convincing.
Choklab and myself are fanatical haters of the older second career Foreman, but we are cool with the younger version who never smiled!
Well, I provided a source and you just ran yer mouth at me. You understand why i'm hesitant to take your word for it. I already said every Marciano fight that doesn't end in KO was criticized. I'm not bothered. That's par for the course for specialist fighters. Rock lost to Ted like how Floyd lost to Castillo and Ward lost to Kovalev. Those fights have articles all about how they lost as well. woowe.
I think we saw that career for what is was. and did not get carried away with it. I was happy for him but no more so than if Holmes had of beat McCall.
LOL.....18 pages and still going... Marciano fanatics never tell you how he would win.....he just wins with "awesome" power and "granite " chin.....they are never able to explain a fight strategy, Marciano simply overwhelms everybody in front of him.... reminds me of the Pac D riders who claimed that he would KO the "Coward" Mayweather without much fuss....again no fight plan, Pac would simply walk in , throw punches in bunches and Mayweather goes to sleep..........same with GGG, KO'ing Heavyweights in sparring and so on and on........in reality, Pac looked like a total Amateur in the real fight and was dead afraid to get countered by the so called feather fisted Money man..........GGG went life and death with a blown up Junior Middle and despite landing some money shots made zero impression on Canelo. In all those Armchair Pistoleros Fantasy fights their hero never gets hit, or if they get hit, they just walk right thru it, lol. Foreman WILL land on Marciano, no doubt, as a matter of fact, every old shopworn fighter he eventually wore down landed on him almost at WILL.....Marciano will make old Foreman look way better than he actually was while getting stopped within five. As far as Moorer is concerned, yes he was fragile but you can put the bank on it that he would beat the Marciano Pensioners Walcott, Moore or Louis handily......Moorers chin is almost granite in comparison to the first two. Alex Stewart, well, nothing special, he could crack and in his prime pretty much stopped everybody until he stepped up but nevertheless Prime Holyfield needed almost 20 rounds to come out on top, he gave Foreman a very tough fight and the only fighter who parked a prime Stewart quickly on top of his game was Mike Tyson....... BTW, Prime Tyson would stop Prime Marciano within two , max, 10 out of 10......similar to the Spinks fight or Foreman /Frazier 1. Guaranteed.
1-yes, FOR HIS TIME. against 6'3,5+ 235+ pound heavies his style leaces a lot of asterisks, especialy because of how much he struggled with 40 year old cruiserweigts. 2-you blatantly ignore official verdict and outcomes when it suits your agenda. If foreman has a close competitive fight in which he LANDS MORE PUNCHES you dont give him the benefit of the doubt and say the other guy was "clearly robbed". Do you give him the benefit of the doubt against briggs, where he landed waaay more punches and was in control from rounds 1-12? Do you say norton was robbed against holmes? I mean, by your logic one judge saw it different so i guess holmes is a fraud and never clearly beat norton. Be consistent. 3-his weight is irrelevant. All that matters is his record and h2h ability. 4-did george lose to who? Stop speaking indirectly and say who this one round victim is. If you mean morrison, you mean the guy who literally changed his entire style and would run, hug, and even turn his back on george to avoid gettinf hit? Quarry lost to 1st round ko victim of sony liston so i guess quarry is trash. See how flawed your logic is? 5-ok so stewart staggerrd him. And rocky was dropped by a shopworn 38 year old lightnheavyweight and went the distace with a guy who had 50 losses. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? 6-He beat alex stewart. Once again, anytime it suits your agenda you only focus on the negative. A 10+ losses having shopworn 40 year old Walcott tattooed rocky all night before he got careless and rocky pulled a suzy Q out his ass. What you are doing is not very clever or original. In fact, its boring. Everone has caught onto you. 7-moore was the undefeated lineal champion and former light heavy champ. First southpaw world championm He had an elite win over holyfield. Sounds pretty elite to me. Ive already explained this twice but you want to revise history. IT WOULDNT BE A SHOCKING UPSET IF MOORER WAS JUST A BUM. 8-
It is more a case that I don't think that what is being put in front of him is particularly formidable in this case. If this was a prime Foreman, my prediction would be very different. Here I have to disagree with you. I would favor both Wlacott and Moore over Moorer. I also think that they were both more elusive, and probably took a punch better. Lets say that he did. That wouldn't be any indication that an older Foreman was likely to beat him.
Then neither have you or pro-Foreman arguers. So far arguments for him winning have come from his size and his power. Also that it would be impossible for Marciano to get around his incredibly slow jab. Pro-Marciano arguers on here have been saying over and over how he would win. By wearing Foreman down over the course of a fight with the huge amount of punches he would land. Marciano was excellent at closing the distance and getting under his opponents punches. This would be a tremendous advantage for him against a terribly slow old Foreman. I've honestly never heard this from anyone that ever argued for Marciano. You must have some sort of mental issues going on because you clearly HATE Marciano enough to literally make things up. Nobody ever landed on Marciano at will. Do you have any clips to make your point? Marciano never fought a shopworn fighter during his title reign. Walcott and Moore would have knocked Moorer cold. He had a pretty low ring iq and got drawn into slugfests VERY easily. Both would pick him apart especially Walcott. He would put an absolute clinic on Moorer and it wouldn't be close. He stopped a bunch of nobodies and was below average in skill. He lost to EVERY significant opponent he fought. You do realize it takes A LOT more than punching power to win a fight right? Clearly not because that's ALL you talk about. Tyson never beat a single Hall of Famer that was even close to prime or a legit heavyweight. The fighter that weighed in at the heavyweight limit that he beat that was close to prime was Spinks and he was a natural light heavy. Had to bust his ass to get up to 200. Marciano would have broken Tyson down. He's physically almost as big as Tyson too as far as measurements go.