I'e never said that . I think what people are suggesting is America is no longer the place to go for your career necessarily as there is plenty of money and fans in the UK. Look how many fights have filled stadiums here over the last few years. That's doesn't happen in America anymore . Our fighters rarely match American's here's as we don't have the same depth pool to develop. We do well considering our size let's just say that .
It's not all as it seems mate.As someone posted filling up stadiums can be made to look good.Canelo-Chavez gate numbers and total money made outdid Joshua-Klitschko.In that Sense give credit to Hearn,the tickets are cheap compared to America,PPV's aswell.You still need to go America though if you want to be recognised as a serious challenger or become a legend.Sorry to say,i want the UK to be No1 but it will never be.It needs to be a Good Secondary Choice to America that wouldn't be bad for the Uk scene.
I can't work out whether you're serious or joking now. If serious then I'm embarassed for you. As stated, neither of those are from my country, they're Irish. Carl Frampton is British, he is from Northern Ireland, a totally separate country. You've got to be American, surely? If that clueless.. I see your point for all of those, but it's all opinions I suppose. It's not all based on recent merit, but some of it is, so there's a mix of that in there really. If I was doing it all solely on who deserves it based on recent performances then it'd be a bit different no doubt. I think Flanagan gets it tight just because he isn't marketable. And Brook I think is in a fair position based on the fact he's off 2 defeats, no matter who they're to. He wasn't my #1, I'd have had him behind Frampton and DeGale even before he lost. Frampton is probably number 1 in terms of ability really and is only at 3 because of inactivity and his defeat, which I find fair. Selby not on that level for me. DeGale and Groves I don't feel I do have that far apart? I rate BJS but he's been too poor in recent performances to merit a high ranking, by his own admission. Hopefully he beats Lemieux soon to change that, I'd propel him up if he did. Bellew I can't take seriously enough, and he just misses out, I can't see who you'd take out for him really. Eubank Jr just about missed out for me and Josh Taylor, while on his way, is a couple of fights away from world level yet. Which the rest of these are at. Yafai is probably 2 big fights away for me, rather than one. Again it's all opinions though, I'm just trying to explain mine to you.
You know what mate...fair point, it’s too soon. If he wins his next 2 fights he definitely goes imo.
I have never seen Frampton saying he is British or Anything,Irish First for him,never seen him with the Union Jack mate.Irish First,Brit second.I dont see a problem with that.
Good list except Kell Brook - he has lost his last 2 fights which were the real tests to see how good he is and the fact he quit in both I wouldn't have him on the list. I think CEJ or Josh Taylor in at 10 with the rest up 1 spot each.
Good list OP, but Terry Flanagan is the odd one out for me. Not sure he makes the top 10 nevermind number 4. He's looked mediocre against average opposition. He might be capable of more but I sure haven't seen it. Should be miles below Groves and Burnett at the least.
Not only is frampton living on the island of Ireland...he even boxed in the green singlet as an amateur, representing HIS COUNTRY....ie Ireland! Couldnt bE any clearer really, could it...?
Two idiots who clearly know nothing of the man whatsoever. He's as British as they come. A huge Northern Ireland football fan, from a hugely unionist area, and absolutely identifies as British (because he is)... See his outrage at not being 2016 British Sports Personality of the Year for evidence, you pair of numpties. The island of Ireland contains two countries though, one of which is British... Clue.. It's the one he lives in and is very proud of. Where you get mixed up is that you believe that him being a gentleman without an ounce of bitterness, he breaches the gap and is loved by both sides of the community for that reason. His affiliation is with the Irish Boxing Board. NOT the country of Ireland. They looked after his career as he puts it and as again... The gentleman that he is, he replayed that despite his politics. Id consider learning about the topic I'm arguing about, before arguing About it, if I were you. Particularly when the person you're arguing with is an avid fan who hads done just that for years.
I am saying he is happy to have both dual citizenship of Irish and British.I remember when someone asked why he didnt want to represent Great Britain in the Olympics,because he wanted to box for Ireland which comes first.He is similar to that of Barry Mcguigan with all the politics,it's not rocket science.
You are absolutely daft. You'd argue black was white if you honestly believe he doesn't identify as British. See my previous post about the extent and reasons behind his boxing for Ireland.. I'm not explaining it to you again. Learn yourself. The debate wasn't about whether he divides us. We both know he doesn't. Credit to him for it. The debate was when yourself and another claimed he shouldn't be on a British list, which is factually wrong, as he would tell you the opposite himself.
Update for me: 1. Anthony Joshua 2. Carl Frampton 3. Ryan Burnett 4. George Groves 5. Billy Joe Saunders 6. Chris Eubank Jr 7. Terry Flanagan 8. Kell Brook 9. Lee Selby 10. Kal Yafai