Lomachenko is a more complete fighter then Mayweather

Alt, he couldn't even beat Saldio alt. Foh, lmao.

 

I think TS got what he wanted. I'd been deliberately avoiding it, but after 11 pages of bites I figured I might as well get reeled in.

 

He didn't beat Salido but it was a tall order in only his 2nd or 3rd fight. Loma isn't super man but he's a damn good boxer well deserving of being in the top 3 p4p with just over 10 pro fights in 4 years. If that doesn't impress you, then you drive a hard bargain

 

I have always noticed that anyone who has like 29,000 less posts than this guy gets called an alt. He called me an alt about 2 years ago. This is what I mean about these nuthuggers still clinging to hope that Salido is somehow going to prevent the inevitable. Ain't going to happen dude and never will.

 

It's relative. The 'Hi-Tech' style everyone raves about leaves me cold, but that's just personal preference. He's certainly objectively impressive. But a lot of big claims are being made for him (one need only refer to the title of this thread), and some of us might think he's not quite that impressive.

 

Loma DID beat Salido even though the mutha fukka came in two weight divisions above the agreed-upon weight, and fouled like a bastado the whole fight.

Orlando barely hung in till the final bell, whereupon he was awarded a gift of a split decision.

And that was Loma's second pro bout.

That Loma massacres the Floyd who faced Reggie Sanders.

Fact, blizzy.

The word of God !

 

I see your point. But you don't have to agree with the thread title to respect and be impressed with what Loma has been able to accomplish in such a short period of time as a pro. Even if you aren't a fan of his style, what he has done in a little over 10 fights in just over 4 years is unprecedented. There are a lot of folks who aren't a fan of Floyd's style of boxing but still respect his accomplishments and are impressed with his achievements.

For anyone to say they aren't impressed with Floyd or Loma based on what they have achieved, leaves me scratching my head. It makes me wonder who those people are and what they have accomplished in boxing or any other sport that is so groundbreaking, that it leaves them unmoved/unfazed by historical accomplishments?

 

Lomachenko is far better than Void has ever been..........................no comparison!!!!!!!

 

Well, it depends how we're defining "impressed". I wouldn't say I'm deeply impressed by Lomachenko's boxing so much as I can objectively state that his accomplishments are impressive on paper and his athletic dynamism is impressive to witness (in the same way that a pyrotechnic display might be impressive, but doesn't necessarily leave me savouring the memory of it for the next week). I'm not really impressed in context of my aesthetic sensibilities with regard to boxing, and I don't need to be able to fight as well as, say, Billy Graham to cite his fistic virtues as an example of what I consider a very rounded boxing style and deeply wrinkled skillset.

Loma's an athletic dynamo and he is able to use that prowess to completely overwhelm standard titlist fare and appear superhuman. I'm not knocking that, because this sport needs variety and sensation. I was never a Roy guy, but I would never want to erase him from history (Loma may not be a Roy on the dazzlingly gifted phenom scale, but I trust that you catch my drift). And I'm not so much of a snob that every fighter has to conform to the aforementioned standard in order for me to enjoy his work. Some guys I can just dig for what they are, and it's a compound of nuances that account for that (I loved Mike Katsidis, I'm much less fond of the similarly aggressive and limited David Lemieux).


Lomachenko in perspective;

We live in an era of four world titles per division. He beat a fellow unbeaten prospect for a vacant one (good win) and then moved up a weight and took a belt off a faded paper titlist who was only ever a decent B fighter on his best night (the spectacular manner of the victory lends the win some note, at least). He hasn't cleared out any divisions as yet. His competition has been pretty uninspiring since he outstyled Russell Jr. and proved himself a grade keener than the American on the scale of prodigous boxer-athletes with standout amateur backgrounds. The last seven opponents have, frankly, been made to order. The better guys have been deliberate boxer-punchers whom he can keep turning in the middle of the ring without being pushed out of his comfort zone at all. As pressure fighters go, Jason Sosa is rugged, but he's no Jesus Chavez when it comes to capability.

As for the accomplishments, they're cool and make good trivia, but there are guys who became titlists in three or four or five bouts (and others who did it within ten) who aren't HOF'ers all these years later. It's not that unheralded and doesn't speak volumes in and of itself. Not to mention that his amateur record is unusually extensive, which (along with the fact that he was able to focus primarily on boxing in his am years, training twice a day and being incredibly conditioned for a guy turning over) accounted for his handlers' decision to skip a pro apprenticeship and go straight in at world level. Naoya Inoue became a two-weight world champion in just about the same number of bouts, and you can argue that he beat better guys for his titles, with a much less extensive amateur record to prepare him. But these are mostly littler guys with styles that are not nearly as flashy and don't come with all the comic book hero 'Matrix' cache, so they'd never be as much of a story.

A cool head can admit that there is a ton of hype behind Loma, and that the matchmaking has been calibrated to his strengths. In order to live up to that hype, he's going to have to build a body of work befitting of a genuine great. A shirtless great, not just great in a vest.


That's all some of us ask. A bit of perspective. We have fans who are in way too much of a rush to bestow the loftiest accolades on this guy, whether because they're infatuated with the way he fights or because they want someone they can pedestalize over some decorated veteran or other whom they strongly dislike for whatever reason (usually Floyd).

 

Floyd did beat Castillo in their first fight, lmao.

 

Damn, I helped him get to 176 posts. Damn, damn, daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!!!

 

Salido won and there was no rematch. The mark of a man is that he does rematches in this sport, and Salido didn't do the rematch.

 

I drive a hard bargain. I'm very critical of fighgers who don't do the rematches.

He might turn out to be a good boxer, but if you crowd him, clinch him and rough him up, come in heavy lol...he can be beat. And that rough style seems to affect and be effective against Loma. Floyd and Pac dealt with those kinds of fighters and came out fine. Right now that's how history judges Loma as he enters his prime.