HBO said that Byrd will not have any punishment for her corruption, said to call

She might be a relative of Bob Bennett, who know? and you know this is a kind of thing that we called "Nepotism."
I am a government officer of the RTG so whatever concern with corruption, favouritism, or bribery are the things that I hate the most, particularly the corruption in boxing sport which is the sport that I love the most.

 

Why, bro?

 

If she would have scored Canelo Khan 4 rounds to 1 or something, then I think you'd have more of an argument. But she gave 3 rounds to Khan so it shows she's being consistent in terms of the type of style that she gives rounds to, not the specific fighter.[/QUOTE]






Wow man--you can type some Essays--I give you that. I can be long winded as well--

So here we go again--

Cotto--
I didnt mean "wide score card" as in wide from the other judges. I mean from a perception point of view. When I think of a 11-1 fight I think Canelo vs Mosley or Mayweather vs Berto. And I am not going to go into the tedious affair of going round by round with you. We both have pretty strong opinions on this. But I'll go this far--you said above there were 4 or 5 rounds that could have went to Cotto, but that judge only gave him 1. There's something wrong with that. That means the other rounds there was some sort of bias toward Canelo. Even Floyd thought they were way off:

"Do I think that Canelo won? Absolutely. Canelo won the fight, but it wasn't no 119-109. Those crazy scores [119-109 and 118-110] that they had was ridiculous...I do think the fight was a lot closer than 119-109. That is ****ing ridiculous. In my opinion, I'm not saying this is what happened, but in my opinion, either somebody is handpicking these judges or something is going on that's not right."

Floyd also went on to to mention that in his opinion these kind of things often happen in fights that Oscar De La Hoya promotes.

"You mean to tell me that Cotto didn't win at least 3 or 4 rounds. If you say 7 to 5 or 8 to 4, we can say that because a lot of rounds was very, very close in the beginning. What's so crazy is that it seems like it always happens when Oscar De La Hoya is involved. They said my fight with Oscar De La Hoya was a split decision, which we all know was some bull****. When I faced Canelo, one of the judges scored it a draw. I got a split decision with Oscar, I got a majority decision with Canelo, and you seen what just happened Saturday night. I'm just saying."

Floyd vs Canelo--
I am just going to leave this one alone now.

Canelo Vs Khan--
First, i was not shocked at all when Canelo got the KO. I bet if there was a prefight poll here I bet it would have been 80% or so that Canelo wins by KO. He should get ZERO credit for it. He was the MW champ fighting a guy barely ranked in the top 5 of WW. And who cares if Khan was being talked about as an opponent for Floyd. That is irrelevant here. Floyd was the WW champ. Canelo was the Champ 2 weight classes north. This is the fight that soured me on Canelo and 99.9% sure there is nothing you or anyone can say that will change my mind about it. To put it simply, it was a PUNK MOVE. Period. End of story for me. He was the MW champ that was supposed to fight his Mandatory (GGG) and all parties agreed on an interim fight. GGG took on some replacement mandatory--but at least the guy was a ranked MW. Canelo took this farce of a fight instead dragging up a chinny WW. Canelo was the MAN. He could have fought any top 20 ranked MW but instead he pulled a PUNK money MOVE to make this fight. Sorry man. The only credit I will ever give Canelo for this fight is he did exactly what was expected of him. He KOd a WW. Big deal.

I notice you did not address the Lara and Trout fights. Im cool with that since I didnt watch them. But I do know there was at least one wide card in each of those fights.

Look, I give credit to Canelo for the GGG fight. One thing I noticed was his footwork for avoiding the straight right hand. When you look at that footwork it is something he has never done before. It is the same footwork used in throwing the check hook. So it looks like Canelo worked on a check hook and maybe he wasnt comfortable throwing the punch with the footwork. Who knows. But it was effective.

We are never going to agree on Canelo. And to be honest, I have some bias against him since the Khan fight. I lost a lot of respect for that guy and it's only gotten worse since.

 

She is crooked

 

BS! She should not be allowed to be the judge at the ringside again.

 

I would beat the **** out of her if it was legal.

That card was messed up.

 

It doesn't mean that there was bias towards Canelo in rounds 1,2,6,& 9. It just means that those were rounds that probably could have gone to Cotto. Look joey, I'm trying to reason with you. I really am. I see your point about you having the Cotto fight closer and I don't think that's unreasonable. I just think that you are kind of going a little overboard by saying with any certainty that there had to be Canelo bias because it was 11-1. I do however agree with you that Canelo Cotto was closer than say Canelo Mosley. I tend to agree with you that Miguel probably won 2 or 3 rounds, maybe even 4, but it's not really that uncommon for judges to disagree on a round or 2 like they did with Canelo Cotto. I mean Miguel really was beaten quite decisively, and while you can argue he won up to 4 rounds, reality is those 4 are 5 rounds you could give to Cotto were still relatively close that probably could go either way, while the other 7 or 8 rounds were clear Canelo rounds from what I remember.

I did see these comments from Floyd even before you posted it. Floyd's beef with DLH is well documented so it's no surprise that Floyd made those statements. But Floyd did say that a lot of rounds was very, very close in the beginning, which would make sense that a judge gave Cotto the 1st and the 2nd round, and two judges gave Cotto the 4th round. After 4 rounds (in the beginning) the judges had it 2-2 even, 3-1 Canelo, and 3-1 Canelo. Floyd is admitting that a lot of those early rounds were very close, so it would make sense based on what Floyd is saying that it was a relatively even fight after 4 rounds.

I just don't see what's so special about the scoring in this particular fight that warrants so much attention. It's not only DLH promoted fights that produce controversial decisons. We've seen fights across the promotion spectrum that fans disagree on the scores by several rounds. Just this past weekend, we had I think a majority of the posters having Liam Williams beating Liam Smith. Yet Smith won the fight by majority decision with "one judge having it quite wide". How is the 117-111 card for Liam Smith over Williams any worse than the 119-109 for Canelo Cotto? Controversial judging decisions is pretty commonplace in pro boxing, and I just think that you are putting a lot of emphasis on Canelo and DLH when reality promoters don't have anything to do with the judges. I think in regard to Canelo is that his in-ring style at times makes rounds hard to score, and that's why we see such a variety from judges scoring his fights. Personally I just think it's quite a reach to complain about the scoring in his fights or blame it on some DLH conspiracy when really I think it's just that some judges are more impressed by Canelo's work than others and that's all there is to it.

I think I covered it pretty comprehensively lol.

First of all, Floyd was not only the WW Champ but also the 154-lb Champ as well. Second of all, did you not forget that Triple G defend his MW Title vs Welterweight Kell Brook ? ? If Canelo fighting Khan is a punk move, then isn't Triple G fighting Brook a punk move too? At least in Canelo's case, he didn't drag a welterweight up two full weight classes to 160 like TG did to Brook !

And another thing, you completely ignored Byrd's card in the Khan bout which was my main point since you were questioning the judges. Do you find it interesting and Ironic that Byrd was the one judge that had Khan winning before he was stopped?

Yeah I didn't address them because you said you didn't watch them. It's relatively normal for judges to disagree on how they score fights. Throughout history, many closely perceived fights have a judge who scored the fight wide, that's not really anything that uncommon, but it's just that when it happens in a Canelo fight, it's brought up and criticized far more than usual. For example, SRL Hagler had a judge that gave it to SRL 118-110. Ali Frazier 1 had a judge that scored it 11 rounds to 4 for Frazier, while the other two judges had it 9-6 and 8-6, 1 even. Ali Leon Spinks 1, one judge had it 143-142, another had it 144-141, another had it 145-140. Etc Etc Etc the list goes on and on of fights where judges disagreed on rounds, and I don't understand why your focusing so much on when they involve Canelo.

Yeah I don't get why you lost respect for him since the Khan fight. That to me just seems illogical. Did you lose respect for G when he fought Brook? Khan wanted to fight Canelo. I really have you question your perspective when you say how you lost respect for Canelo since the Khan fight and it's only gotten worse.

In two years, he's fought Khan, Liam Smith, Chavez Jr and finally Triple G. Those are some pretty pretty big fights and he's got some big names on his resume. That's a nice run he's been on. I don't see any reason to lose respect for the guy for taking on such good competition. And if you have such a problem with a career 154-lber taking on a welterweight at 155-lbs, then how can you respect a career Middleweight in Triple G taking on a welterweight at 160-lbs or Cotto for doing what he did with the Middleweight title before Canelo beat him for it. I think you need to cut Canelo some slack. It's not like Canelo won the MW Title at 160-lbs! Cotto had been defending that title at catchweights and you need to consider the fact that Canelo hadn't ever fought close to 160 until this year. He's given us a lot of great fights and I don't think he's done anything to make you lose respect for him. I mean, look, I lost respect for Floyd when he fought Canelo at a catchweight and stuff like that. And Floyd was allowed to hold those 154-lb titles for 2 years without ever fighting in the division. We may not agree on some of this stuff but I don't see how you've lost respect for Canelo from fighting Khan. That's not worse than Triple G fighting Brook at 160.

 

I thought GGG was poor and yet he still won eight rounds,max rounds one could give Canelo which isn't how we should judge fights is 1,2,3 and 10 and 11 at a push.
Canelos face told the story afterwards,of course he knew he wouldn't lose but he also knew he'd lost and he looked like he could burst into tears at the end.
It's a shame Canelo can't find some extra gas cause when he had it he was the better man but Canelo knows that GGG in the rematch will probably not show the same respect,won't miss as much and surely will go to the body more,no shame but after re watching it and also box nations commentary was very unbiased giving Canelo the early rounds and the cleaner shots but they judged it eight to four Golovkin

 

Ideally there needs to be an independently monitored authority set up keeping a peer-reviewed register of all the high profile judges and referees in the sport which can be referred to during the negotiations phase as part of a clause prohibiting certain blacklisted judges from judging a fight. I thought I heard of such an idea being bandied around some time back but I don't know what became of it, if anything.

Alternatively fighter's teams can do their own research and insist on reviewing and ratifying the judges before signing the contract (I don't know if that's what already happens, but if it isn't then it needs to come into effect).

 

People should remember what team Golovkin said: "If we get robbed, it's our fault".

So, what do they do?

They go into the fight and refuse to throw bodyshots. Because they might get countered by Canelo.

So, they don't throw bodyshots, aren't effective and still get countered plenty. They scrape a draw by the skin of their teeths.

How much sense does that make?

 

dont worry, 3g has another chance to prove his elitedom with canelo soon. watch n see.

 

Shadow--
I'll try to wrap up Cotto/Lara/Trout with one blanket statement--and cover a few other of your comments because I want to spend more time on the Khan fight:

If it was JUST the Cotto fight Or JUST the Lara or Trout fight it probably wouldnt be a big deal. It would be argued about and then dropped. It just seems like there is one wide or unexplainable card for all his big fights. I get it happens from time to time with most fighters. But it just seems to me with Canelo you can count on there being one. That was my position pre GGG fight, and that position has been confirmed. You can go into all the effort in world and break each fight down round by round and judge by judge but that is the opinion I will still hold.

Before I go further into the Khan fight, let me state on the record that I am 100% against CW fights for titles. They are non sense. We have restrictive weight classes already. If I want to fight for the 160 pound title, then as long as the other guy comes in at 160 who cares. CW are a tool to gain an unfair advantage over your opponent. To further my point, if the GGG/Ward fight would have happened at 164 for Ward's 168 titles, I would have blasted that as well, and even more so if GGG would have defended those titles at 164.

There is a huge difference between the Khan and Brooks fights. You know this. Brooks was a replacement for CEJr. Brooks stepped up to the 160 challenge. I give him credit. GGG deserves the same amount of credit Canelo get for beating Khan. Both did what they were expected to do. KO a WW moving up. And i give Canelo no credit for it. That was suppoosed to have been an interim fight to set up the GGG fight. He could have used it to fight a real MW or at least a top ranked jr MW moving up.

Khan, Smith, and JCjr were big events but big fights? Please. Those fights meant nothing. Khan has done literally nothing since and JCJr has not been a serious fighter since he almost Beat SM years ago. Smith was not even considered a top 5 Jr MW even though he held a belt. How you can defend those fights as "big fights" is incredible to me. But I get it. I have never seen you being honestly critical of Canelo for anything.

I can be critical of GGG when he deserves it. My biggest beef with GGG/K2 is all of the step asides they have taken. They have no one to blame but themselves for that and allowing their mandatory to constantly be avoided. They allowed SM to cash out at a CW against Cotto. They then allowed Cotto to cash out against Canelo. Thats on them(GGG/K2).

If you want to defend Canelo for 3 BS fights in a row--Khan, Smith, JCJr then thats fine. If you bought those fights and enjoyed them, again, good. It was your money to spend. But you know those fights meant nothing. Only the Smith fight had any real implication and it turns out he fought for a title he had no intention of defending.

Let me ask a serious question. If he beats GGG in the rematch (which I am predicting now he will), what do you think Canelo's course of action will be? Will he look to actually establish himself as a legit MW champ by fighting real ranked contenders and actually fight ranked guys, or will he look for the easy payday fights and drag up JrMWs?

 

I agree and I don't like a catchweight as well. However Khan wouldn't fight Canelo at 160. If anyone was put at a disadvantage by the fight being at 155, it was Canelo, not Khan! Not only that, but Canelo won the title at a catchweight from Cotto. Surely Cotto created the catchweight situation at Middleweight, not Canelo. And at least in Canelo's case, he didn't drain any actual Middleweights like Cotto did to Martinez slightly and to Geale. The problem with catchweights really has to do with making a fighter cut weight in an unhealthy way. Like with Floyd Canelo, that was worse than the Canelo Khan catchweight for obvious reasons.

And Hagler has done nothing since fighting SRL but does that take anything away from the win? Not to compare Hagler to Khan or anything but the fact is that going into his fight with Canelo, Khan was a bonafide highly ranked contender at welterweight with a 5 fight winning streak and big name. Fans clearly wanted to see him fight Floyd Mayweather. So he's good enough to fight Floyd Mayweather, but not for Canelo? Floyd literally ducked Khan but then Canelo fights the guy that Floyd avoided and gets no credit for it? Don't you see some blatant hypocrisy there?

Didn't have a problem with the Smith fight and him vacating because the fans wanted to see him move up to Middleweight and fight Triple G. Canelo wanted one more fight at 154, win one more Title at that weight class, then move up to Middleweight as a 154-lb Champion. The problem really stemmed from his fight with Floyd Mayweather. He lost his title at a catchweight and then for 2 years had no route to reclaim his title at 154, so he had no choice but to fight Cotto. Floyd wouldn't rematch him and the commissions let him hold the 154-lb titles for 2 years braking their own rules without FLoyd having any intention of ever defending them. That's worse than Alvarez holding the WBO for 6 months than vacating it. At least he didn't hold the titles hostage for 2 years like Floyd did. I didn't have a problem with him winning the WBO 154-lb title then declaring his intentions to move up to MW fully. Because that's what the fans wanted to do. In my opinion, the Title Fight with Smith was the perfect fight because it secured his legacy at 154 which was his division and winning another strap at that division was important to him.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves, but in that event I'd expect Alvarez to fight the best in the division. You may have some 154-ers move up to MW by then, but I'd expect him to not take easy paydays but make the biggest fight available. Jacobs / BJS / Lemieux / Charlo, guys like that, fights that the fans want to see.