PARKER Will Accept 35% to FIGHT JOSHUA

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  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Its like this - everybody wants to fight Joshua , just like everybody wanted to fight Mayweather. None of Mayweathers challengers earned a sniff of what he was earning. That doesn't mean he got to keep the majority share of the pot.
    If Joshua wants Wilders belt and his name on his resume , he's got to pay up more than what he pays random contenders. Fair compromises and logical thinking won't go down to well around here. Lots of posters don't want to see Wilder earn a nickle off Joshua.
     
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  2. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mandatories can command that amount because of the sanctioning body's rules. Wilder doesn't have that luxury. He can either accept the fee/split he is offered and the chance to gain titles and recognition or he can continue fighting for less reward against others.
     
  3. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    If Joshua offers Wilder a mandatory split its a low ball offer designed to push Wilder away. If AJ really wants Wilder and his belt he'd happily split the share up to 40%.
    Once AJ has his belt he never has to offer anybody a 40% share ever again. This is how the sport works- that is if guys want to be an undisputed champion.
     
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  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wow you're on a roll today with bad comparisons Dino. Now I'm not saying Hearn shouldn't over pay Wilder, he will 100% need to over pay Wilder to make the fight, Hearn himself has said this in regards to making the Parker and Wilder fights. But that doesn't mean they deserve 40% or the crazy 50% Wilder is reportedly demanding.

    As for the Mayweather comparison, yes you are right, that everyone wanted to fight Mayweather for that big cash out fight and were often overpaid for it just like Joshua will have to do. But Mayweather didn't just hand out big splits to everyone. Even a big draw like Hatton only got a 65-35 split guaranteed, not 40%. Pacquiao did get that 40% split but Pacquiao was the number 2 draw in boxing at that time behind Mayweather, he wasn't some guy unable to fill stadiums stuck on NBC like Wilder.

    Canelo only got 13.5% of the split when he fought Floyd and he's a bigger draw than Wilder. Berto came out with 11%. Maidana and Guerrero only got 8.5% and they had a belts like Wilder. Ortiz who also had a belt only got 7%.

    Even a big name like Cotto who was much bigger name than Wilder is now, only got 20% against Mayweather.

    So if anything the Mayweather comparison proves Wilder doesn't deserve 40%, because you can't compare Wilder to Pac or Hatton or even Cotto, he is currently closer to the level with guys like Maidana, Berto, Ortiz etc.

    So unless you are saying Wilder is on the same level as Pacquiao who was the only fighter to get 40% against Mayweather then your comparison is invalid.
     
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  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Everybody Floyd fought at that stage brought a belt to the fight so it didn't count for much on the bargaining table. If Joshua beats Wilder and Parker he'll never fight another champion.
    My point was that Mayweather was a cash cow and his challengers earned life changing money against him despite the fact they weren't big draws in their previous bouts.
    Canelo is a good example. He was the bigger draw but wanted what Cotto had so took a small cut of around 20-30%.
     
  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    If Joshua does unify he will still have opportunities to fight other champions, because I doubt he'll keep all the belts. They'll get split like they always have because of mandatory obligations. Joshua and Hearn said before the belts don't matter as much as who they fight when the WBA and IBF mandatory could of seen him stripped for rematching Wlad or facing the other mandatory. That situation will repeat itself and he'll get stripped and then get another chance to unify again.

    Yeah I once again agree these guys earned life changing money vs Mayweather and much more than they ever earned before but we are talking $5 mill for belt holders like Ortiz, Maidana etc. And you're comparing them earning a career high $5 mill to Wilder getting 40% which could be at least $15 mill. Yes Hearn will need to over pay Wilder but Wilder is only earning $900k-1.5 mill per defence, him getting 20% would see him earn far more than Ortiz, Maidana or Canelo and several times as much has he will earn for any single defence, perhaps more money than he will earn during the rest of his career. Now I think he deserves more than 20% but not 40%.

    Canelo got 25% cut guaranteed against Cotto. But once against a very different situation than Joshua/Wilder. Canelo for one thing wasn't making anywhere near as much as Cotto at that time. Cotto got $7 mill minimum for Martinez which is $2 mill more than Canelo had ever made. Cotto also had that crazy deal with Roc Nation, he was earning crazy money, I think $50 mill for 3 fights guaranteed or something like that.

    Joshua does want Wilder's belt and will overpay for it, but you're overestimating what Hearn will likely need to pay out to secure that final belt. Honestly if Wilder sticks to 50% or even 40% I don't think the fight will happen unless Joshua/Wilder is on US PPV and Joshua has a large guarantee.
     
  7. liger1992

    liger1992 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Amen to that
     
  8. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    I don't think 40% is over paying Wilder. Its only 15% more than what some bummy mandatory gets. 60% is still a huge payday for what Joshua will make for that fight.
    Go back to Jacobs again , he commanded 35-40% because he had a mickey mouse belt WBA belt while GGG had the real one. He was fighting in small shows on Spike and ESPN in his previous bouts.
    I don't kow why you'd be opposed to Wilder getting a 40% split max. Anything over that is pushing it , but 40% is fair for what will be a massive fight against two HW rivials.
    There hasn't been a HW rivalry like this in a long time.
     
  9. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jacobs got 40% but he was only paid 250K more than his previous biggest purse. If we're gonna use jacobs and Golovkin as an example how about Joshua only pays Wilder 250K more than his previous purse. Or if were talking about percentages that was a 14% increase on Jacobs previous biggest purse, so that would mean Wilder gets $1.71 mill lol.

    Golovkin and Jacobs were not earning such a huge difference in purses in comparison to Joshua and Wilder. Golovkin was getting $2 mill per right apart from the Brook fight and even then if we use the Brook fight as a marker that $5 mill purse was only 3.8 times more than Jacobs. In comparison Joshua's largest purse is 13.1 times more than Wilder's biggest purse.

    So once again Golovkin/Jacobs is not a valid comparison to judge what these fighters are worth as Joshua is a much, much bigger draw than Golovkin was in comparison to Jacobs. If Golovkin was making almost $20 mill per fight no way would of Jacobs got the 40% he did then they fought.
     
  10. OpinionOfACasual

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    "Eddie Hearn is in no rush to make fights with Parker/Wilder"....


    Of course he isn't, once AJ KO's them both who is there left to fight?
     
  11. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    That is correct. Mandatory challengers get 25% of the pot.
     
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  12. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    No that fight has to build a little bit, and in the meantime Wilder has to build his resume with opponents that are looked at as real threats.. I think towards the end of 2018 they'll get it on and most likely it will be for the UNDISPUTED heavyweight title In a historic event!
     
  13. Pretty Boy Floyd

    Pretty Boy Floyd Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It works both way's you can say AJ is ducking by low balling percentages, but low ball AJ %'s are still career high pay days so are the likes of wilder and parker after money or the chance to beat the man become the man and claim another 2 belts?
     
  14. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Deontay is NOT a champion. He's a belt holder.
     
  15. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't see how it can be considered a low ball offer if it's much more than he has earned before, more than he would earn elsewhere and more than he deserves based on the revenue he generates.