Rank these bruisers, all prime

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes Williams had monster power but the better fighters were harder for Williams to hit clean. His KO ratio dropped off against some guys that lighter punchers could stop. However, Cleveland did nail Sonny forcing him to punch his way out of a sticky patch, but I assume Williams hit others harder. Clay had Sonny do a chicken dance in their first fight with a right hand early on.
     
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    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Liston v Williams would give you some idea with a bit of the besmanoff fight. They are on YouTube.:good
     
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  4. BrutalForeman

    BrutalForeman Active Member Full Member

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    I think Lewis is a very skilled, talented fighter. But I really suspect his chin would let him down against Foreman, Liston, maybe even Baer if he connects with a flush right hand.
     
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    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The biggest subtraction from Liston is the complete absence of a top notch corner. He had to have, at best, the most mediocre of trainers and managers the division has seen. How he got that far is incredible. And that lack of a great braintrust will cost a guy fights, sooner or later.

    Especially when the other top fighter has a Dundee or Steward . What a gap. I would have liked to have seen what Sonny could have done with say the polishing of an Arcel or Brown Or Angie back then.

    Come to think of it, subtract the top corners of some of those heavies and insert the Liston braintrust. Any doubts they lose more?
     
  6. BrutalForeman

    BrutalForeman Active Member Full Member

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    Exactly right. They were garbage. Kinda like Dick Sadler.
     
  7. Entaowed

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    Great post as usual janitor.

    I would just point out that Sonny had the same, not greater, very long reach as Lewis, 7'. Though the largest distinction between reach & height I have even seen in boxing, 11".

    What is your modest moniker about?
     
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    janitor VIP Member

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    Cheers.

    Sam Langford started out in the sport as the janitor of a boxing gym.

    If no other opponent was available, people would “fight the janitor”.
     
  9. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Lennox Lewis
    Wladimir Klitschko
    Sonny Liston
    George Foreman
    Max Baer
    Vitali Klitschko

    H2H, I pick Liston to beat them all.
     
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  10. Jear

    Jear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    H2H in their primes
    Liston
    Lewis
    Foreman
    Vitali
    Wlad
    Baer
     
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    Great Story!
     
  12. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    1. Sonny Liston
    2. George Foreman
    3. Lennox Lewis
    4. Vitali Klitschko
    5. Max Baer
    6. Wladimir Klitschko
     
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  13. jyeahfosho

    jyeahfosho mrtechnicalboxer Full Member

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    1) Liston with the right mindset (The one vs Ali would be 5th or 6th)
    2) Foreman
    3) Lewis
    4) Vitali
    5) Baer
    6) Wlad
     
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    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Max Baer would be the stand out here.He fought with reckless abandon with his hands down chin up and looked like he had few in many fights with his off balance swings but man the guy hit harder than Klitchko and Tyson combined.

    So again he doesn't need technique BC he fought in the era of when real fighters fought so there it shows no fighter today stands a chance.

    Baer is a sign of heart and determination and raw talent which rates over technique and ring generalship he would be undisputed and undefeated champion today.
     
  15. Gudetama

    Gudetama Active Member Full Member

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    Wow, what a crowd of fighters!
    I view it thus:
    Liston
    Foreman
    Lewis
    Klitschko Brothers
    Max Baer