Henry Armstrong vs Tommy Hearns @welterweight

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Nov 21, 2017.


Who wins and how

  1. Armstrong KO

    3 vote(s)
    11.5%
  2. Armstrong TKO

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Armstrong UD

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Armstrong SD

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Hearns KO

    12 vote(s)
    46.2%
  6. Hearns TKO

    7 vote(s)
    26.9%
  7. Hearns UD

    4 vote(s)
    15.4%
  8. Hearns SD

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

    17,351
    12,752
    Sep 21, 2017
    Who would win this fight? Could Hearns outbox Armstrong or would Armstrong mow him down?
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

    36,653
    16,582
    May 4, 2017
    I feel Hearns would KO Armstrong, Leonard was able to start coming forwards against Hearns because of his glove positioning defensively deflecting blows plus his power and chin. Armstrong slipped punches well but trying that coming forwards vs a fast long puncher like Hearns is mad, Armstrong was a sharp volume punching he didn`t put full force, speed and zip into punches the way Ray did and he didn`t take punches ever from a puncher like Hearns although he did take Ray Robi`s punches Hearns hit even harder Robi if you discount the brilliantly timed Fullmer KO.
     
    Brixton Bomber likes this.
  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

    55,037
    49,073
    Apr 27, 2005

    SRR carried him.

    I agree Hearns might well stop Hank. He's much bigger and will ko the vast majority of welters he can hit cleanly.
     
    Eddie Ezzard and escudo like this.
  4. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,292
    18,705
    Aug 26, 2017
    Agreed. Not many are going to beat the motor city cobra at WW, srr and srl.. but not hank and it's a bad style matchup for him..
     
    Brixton Bomber likes this.
  5. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

    13,670
    12,320
    Mar 19, 2012
    Hearns by decision. Too big, too tall, too much power to go along with elite speed. I could see a late stoppage as well. Hank was an awesome fighter but perhaps `47 against Hearns just not his night.
     
    Eddie Ezzard and Brixton Bomber like this.
  6. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    19,229
    258
    Oct 22, 2009
    Its' Hearns early or Armstrong late. I'd pick the first one.
     
    BUDW and cuchulain like this.
  7. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,750
    10,104
    Oct 22, 2015
    Hearns by knock-out. Probably early. Short pressure fighters were tailor made for Hearns, esp when considered Armstrong's best fighting weight was probably below welter weight.
     
    Eddie Ezzard likes this.
  8. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

    8,032
    13,694
    Oct 20, 2017
    Armstrong is clearer the greater p4p but head to head this would be ugly for Armstrong. The size difference would have made it all but impossible for Armstrong to get inside and do his best work. Hearns would catch Armstrong coming in and nobody could survive that repeatedly. But Hearns had the skill to keep Hank at armslength and outbox him so I pick Hearns by a wide, unanimous decision.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    114,657
    51,450
    Mar 21, 2007
    This is the hardest fantasy fight to properly appraise in my opinion.
     
  10. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

    38,500
    13,316
    Jan 6, 2007
    This.
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta likes this.
  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

    17,351
    12,752
    Sep 21, 2017
    Why's that?
     
  12. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    20,273
    6,588
    Jan 22, 2009
    Have to go with Tommy. Henry is greater p4p, but Tommy is much bigger and has all of the stylistic advantages.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    114,657
    51,450
    Mar 21, 2007
    Prime Armstrong is close to unknockoutable I think, and Hearns punches hard enough at the weight to knock out almost anyone, which is your first problem.

    Hearns is by better than anyone who tried to fight Armstrong at distance, while Armstrong is by far better than anyone that Hearns fought inside (barring Duran where he wasn't tested).

    Armstrong is as adept at executing his style as anyone who has every lived; Hearns is a very special boxer - nobody ever succeeded in keeping Armstrong out and nobody ever succeeded in swarming Hearns into pure retreat.

    Armstrong is probably at a very minor stylistic advantage but is by far the greater fighter.

    Horrible nightmarish mix of problems.
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta likes this.
  14. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,581
    5,461
    Jan 19, 2016
    Great pot. I enjoyed that explanation. I would only take issue with one sentence. I think Henry is at a major, rather than very minor, disadvantage in that he was about 7" shorter and a good 10lbs naturally lighter without a speed advantage to negate it. And I don't think there's ever been a boxer who was 'by far greater' than Tommy Hearns. There have been greater, and Henry is one, but not by that much of a margin, imo.
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta likes this.
  15. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,500
    19,993
    Oct 4, 2016
    If the bell rings for round 7, Hearns would be dead meat