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No fighter 215-220 needs to add weight.....

Deontay wilder is 218lbs ...unskilled,lacking ring generalship..lacking old school qualities...and hes doing fine in todays 250-260lbs division....i think any of the pre 1990 crop between 210-225 lbs will beat all these guys

Its really only the klitchkos,lewis and now AJ who pose a question...
And yes i still think smaller guys like foreman,louis,ali,frazier,tyson even dempsey at their peaks beat them all

 

Its not so much weight as it is punching power. Without punching power fighting today's 230 plus HW's are going to be a rough task. If someone is under 6'2 and weighs about 215 they better have some type of punching power.

A 6'4 240 pounder with even moderate skill but a lot of power is obviously going to have advantages if he is capable of walking through shots .

Foreman's K.O percentage is significantly lower when fighting guys over 225.

 

The list of ATG 240 pound guys is very very short.

Who are they? Lennox Lewis won just 16 of 44 fights weighing 240lb or over. He drew at that size to a guy 30b lighter for one of them. And he’s the best one!

The second best 240 pounder is Bowe. Riddick was only 240lb or above for 10 of his 40 fights. Only Seven of those fights were wins in the true sense of the word.

Who do we have after that Wlad? He was knocked out twice to guys almost 20lb lighter.

If we limit 240lb ATG’s to guys who never weighed less than 240lb we are left with just Primo Carnera as the GOAT.

 

Wilder is not fighting top ten opponents, he's picking fat guys out of the ring who are old, and struggling with top 15-40 types. As soon as he steps up, he's going to lose.

I think Foreman would be best off at his 1970's weight.

The skilled super heavyweights have been around since the 1990's. Bowe, Lewis, and the Klitschko's, only one of whom lost to a sub 215 pound man without an injury and that one was very close ( Bowe vs Holy 2 ). I highly doubt Joshua will lose to a man 215 pounds or below.

 

We have light heavyweights breaking into the division still.

I doubt that the best 200 pounders would hit a brick wall, if they couldn't add 15lbs of muscle.

 

Foreman never lifted weights in his first career and was probably advised to keep his weight down - stupid I know, but that was the conventional wisdom back then.

Give him a good strength coach, and he would easily be around 250-260 lbs in shape - stronger, more powerful with a better chin.

Forget about stamina, he was never a guy who will wear you down for the later rounds, early to mid rounds is enough for him

 

You know that when Foreman came back he trimmed to under 240 and found he could not impose his will on the bigger heavyweights that came around in his retirement and his power did not have the same impact so he gained the size to keep from being overpowered by the bigger men....he realized being around 250-260 allowed him the size and strength to compete....he traded speed for size and strength. So no size has it's advantages and Foreman's style at 220 would have seen the bigger KO punchers maybe overpower him at times....if 210lb Lyle fought him life and death imagine Bruno, Morrison, Lewis, Ruddock, Witherspoon etc....clocking him at 220 vs the 250-260 he was?[/QUOTE]

 

Foreman ,Ali ,Frazier,Holmes shavers ,Norton Tyson all them guys can fight in any era they were great

 

Wilder is at least 40lb lighter than the more skilled Fury, and 25lb lighter than the more skilled Joshua. Yet I don't think it's ludicrous to envisage Wilder scoring a KO against either. Weight is a huge advantage, but not everything.

 

Buddy Baer was 6'6", 250 lbs....and Joe Louis tore him apart. The Law of Diminishing Returns seems to apply to the Super Heavies, more than the legit lighter weights.