Gennady Golovkin vs. Carl Froch @ 168.

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  1. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    The size plays a part for sure. I don't think either guy is getting stopped but I'm taking Golovkin on points. As easy as GGG can allegedly be hit, Froch was no better in that regard. I used to think it was a reasonably comfortable with for GGG actually but I'm much less confident in that now. Still think he wins but it's a close one.

    What a fight it would have been though hey
     
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  2. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Do you think he may have had more success had his style not altered so much? Pre-Sanchez he seemed a much more methodical fighter, a bit more defensively savvy, although given the comp it's always hard to say. Obviously when it came to US network showing they wanted all out action which they duly got, but I wonder if it came at some sort of cost to his boxing ability i.e falling in love with his power too much.
     
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  3. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Minimal defense? He is the 3rd best defensive fighter p4p according to stats
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    This is a rudimentary rant, but I'm half asleep and don't feel like writing a small detailed book, so I'm going to wing it by grossly generalizing. Sorry if I'm rambling, its 5am.:lol:

    Look you goons, I know you all have images of Froch dropping rounds to Ward, Dirrell and Taylor dancing around in your heads.... Why? Does GGG fight a thing like any of them? No, he doesn't. So stop envisaging a GGG-Froch match through that prism. Now... watch this, and instead try getting the images of this match into your heads.
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    (Some beautiful cleavage shots of Rachael throughout:wanker)

    Now am I saying GGG fights exactly like AA, no I'm not, but of all Froch's opponents, he's the closest fit. Kessler skill level wise is closer to GGG, but still comes in a distant second in terms of overall style, Kessler unlike GGG had the reach, height and was rangier, which posed a different set of problems for The Cobra. Kessler was less willing to walk down his opponents than GGG, who's more relentless along the lines of AA.

    The reality is Carl is a skilled, and not only underrated, but at times an exemplary boxer, especially when playing the role of the counter puncher, his jab was every bit as hard if not harder than Jacobs, his chin is eons better, his reach longer, same height and unlike Jacobs, a true 168lber. Danny was willing to engage, while Danny has power, its not concussive and thudding like Froch, who's power is vastly underrated as well, all the evidence you need is how badly his shots effected Groves and Bute, both of whom were far less effected by younger theoretically stronger guys after being Cobra'd, and their chins held up. Froch could fight off the backfoot and had the stamina to keep it going with out gassing, and still have enough in his tank to go to war in the 11th and 12. He'd keep GGG at bay with his jab, ambush him once or twice each round, get in enough clean hard shots to edge rounds, and possibly be the first guy to hurt Golovkin, and if he did, Froch was a killer finisher. Froch is a level or two above Jacobs and Canelo both of whom he'd mostly likely brutalize. If GGG edged it, he'd be in for the fight of his life and take a ton of punishment, it would be a brutal fight for both guys, but Froch was not tailor made for GGG, actually its the other way around.
     
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  5. BCS8

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    I think it's his speed more than his power that's declined. Young GGG seemed to be significantly faster.
     
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  6. dellboi94

    dellboi94 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Carl Froch's judge of range and jab will give GGG a tough night, I think it goes to a close points win. 50/50 fantasy fight imo.
     
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  7. BCS8

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    Good post, but that begs the question, if GGG is stylistically made for Froch, and since GGG is a fair bit smaller: WHY did Froch not take the fight at a time that he felt he was obviously too big and strong for Golovkin? He could have put the little upstart in his place in front of 40000 (or is it 70000, lol) screaming fans at Wembley! Cemented his legend, and scored a fat payday into the bargain. It's obvious he wanted to. Why didn't he?

    My theory: :headbash

    He knew that there were good odds that he wasn't going to win.
     
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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Or maybe he ended his career with a picture perfect absolutely brutal KO, after a storied two fight rivalry and wanted to end it on a high note. Maybe he thought GGG was fairly unknown in the UK, unlike Groves, and not necessarily a big money fight, maybe he thought GGG would be durable enough to go the distance and give him a good fight, and could make it close, therefore, maybe even if he won, he'd have a bunch of GGG fanboys b****ing and moaning wanting a rematch again. He was getting old, and probably didn't feel like dealing with it. Why would he want to risk anything effecting his legacy, he could to end up with a bunch of drama and end on a low note? Who wants to deal with that bull**** at 37 or 38?
     
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  9. BCS8

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    Maybe. But then he needed to shut his big yap because he came off looking weak.
     
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  10. dellboi94

    dellboi94 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think so, Froch is what we call in the UK a wind up merchant. He is trolling people when he talks about the GGG fight imo.
     
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  11. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Way I see it, if GGG got into a dogfight vs Froch he'd lose the war of attrition, whereas if GGG decided to box Froch he'd win a wide UD(Which IMO he would do looking at his pedigree), if a few boxers from 160lbs have already out-boxed Froch quite convincingly I'm not going to bet against one opf the best boxers in HISTORY at that weight(who happens to have an iron chin), its just not a thought process in my brain to state I should.
     
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  12. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    What stats are you referring to??

    Both Canelo and Jacobs out- landed him on power punches.

    Smaller , lighter punching Canelo who has no work-rate landing more power punches on GGG tells me he'd be in for a torrid time against Froch who is more aggressive and has an endless supply of stamina and endurance.

    Its not even known if Golovkin's power would carry up to 168. It wasn't that telling against the best he fought at 160 so its unlikely its going to trouble a titanium chinned warrior like Froch. .

    Plus , GGG seems weak around the body , Froch folded guys in half with single , long spearing shots to the chops.
     
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  13. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Past prime GGG you're talking about there.
     
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  14. Walter Sobchak

    Walter Sobchak Spinal! Full Member

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    Froch is one of my favourite ever fighters. Just a beast. Granite chin, excellent jab, uppercut, swarmer, counter puncher, bullier. Ducked no one. WAR Froch.

    Late KO or UD to Froch.

    No shame in being beaten by Ward as everyone is.
     
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  15. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He ducked the GGG fight and a "prime" undefeated Cleverly.
     
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