Rummy's Corner: Top 50 Most Spectacular KOs

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Let's try that again.

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    Have to say Rummy that I too was baffled by GGGs lack of body shots,great fight marred by poor judging and let's just say if GGG doesn't go to the body in the rematch there's something dodgy going on as Golovkin is way too seasoned a pro to neglect his banker shot that has won him fights before now.
     
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    @Rumsfeld I have a suggestion for a future video. The Would Series Tournaments (Super Middlewieght and Cruiserweight) have some really interesting match ups. Maybe pick one of the divisions and do a video giving a recap of the fights so far, look ahead to the semis, and give your predictions for the eventual winner.
     
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    Hopkins has already told us El Pollo's strategy for the fight with Golovkin! Hopkins said that El Pollo will fight Golovkin like SOB fought Kovalev! Yes, El Pollo will punch to Golovkin's testicles with Tony Weeks as the referee or some other paid off ref! Here is El Pollo's strategy according to Hopkins! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU_ZZsYyYmg
     
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  6. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Great vid Rummy :thumbsup:

    This video highlights the issues I have with the importance of the lineal title. People say it's the most "pure", but is it really?
    The lineage has been broken quite a number of times, and often disputed if it's actually broken in the first place, when or how a new lineage starts and by who. It's basically a bunch of people that discuss if they put the "vacant lineage" on the line for that fight.
    Nowadays Fury's "lineage" is disputed. The TBRB for instance doesn't recognize Fury as the lineal champion anymore. Ring is on the verge of stripping him, because 2 days from now there's no technicality anymore not to. If Joshua and Wilder decide to face off March next year and Fury makes his comeback on the same card, then who is the "lineal champion"?
    Others dispute if the great Holmes was actually ever "lineal" and in extension Spinks... some say it took until Tyson unified the division before a new lineage started.
    Then we got the whole 2 Klit brothers mess, because of what some say a new lineage was never really created up until late 2013, when Wladimir beat Povetkin. While others had Vitali as the reigning lineal champion inbetween.
    Ad this is just a small part of all the discussions going on about it.
    With all the different ways and opinions of who? At what time? In which fight? Taking all that into account, then what exactly is so "pure" about the lineal championship?

    And then there's the whole discussion about deserving against getting the chance to fight for it. Nowadays you often need a hostage negotiator and a huge bag of money to maybe get a shot at it. And then only if you're not too good, because then it usually doesn't happen at all.
     
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    Thanks Robney! And agreed. The lineage definitely isn't perfect. But in the example of the heavyweight division, I think it works well, and I trust it (in this instance at least) far more than I trust any of the sanctioning bodies.

    You have a number of instances in the heavyweight lineage where there were unique situations. Jeffries coming back after a 5 year retirement. Ali losing his boxing license. The whole George Foreman thing that ended in Briggs becoming lineal champ. Spinks being lineal when Tyson held all the titles. And now Tyson Fury being inactive.

    But in all of those situations, things kind of worked themselves out. Jeffries lost to Jack Johnson when he came back. Ali and Frazier ultimately squared off after Ali got his license back. Briggs lost to Lennox, who ultimately unified the major titles. Tyson beating Spinks and eliminating all doubt. I also tend to believe things will once again work themselves out in the current situation, eventually.

    But tracing the lineage definitely isn't perfect. Although I think it's interesting, especially when we examine the heavyweight division.
     
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    top vid Rummy

    I think it's quite impossible to actually rate them, like it has always been with fighters from different eras, even when they overlap.
    Not meeting when they're both prime, what strange as it sounds can also favor the non prime fighter as well due to having to make benificial style changes and experience. Together with being "accomplished" and getting favors from judges that way.
    The "what is a strong era" discussion. In which 5 guys beating eachother in a carousel, can mean a number of things... neither of them is actually really special. A rare stylistic mixup between, or a strong era with 5 top fighters. Same goes with one or two guys dominating. It can be that we have a weak era with only one or 2 good fighters, an era with a single 2 exceptionally strong fighters and many who are one or 2 levels behind, or one or 2 guys that get all the chances, have everything in their favor and don't let anyone good near them (or a combination of the factors of course).

    Getting into the grey and black areas here, the late 80's, 90's and early 00's seem to have been a free for all when it came to juicing. Certainly we'll see that today still, but they can't blow up like some of the 90's guys and expect to pass modern testing for more than a couple of fights.
    Is it actually fair to compare Holyfield against the others in this list, knowing he was severely chemically enhanced? If Bowe wasn't a user himself, can you count the loss to Holyfield against him? Can you actually count Tyson's 2 losses against him, or Lewis' "draw"? Can you count Holyfield's accomplishments and extreme longlivity at all? Or were some of or all the others juiced up to the brim as well?

    In my eyes, all have some merit here, but like you already said, it's up for debate. Almost nobody looks at this objectively, and can't either.
    Clear as day that I feel betrayed and fooled by one of my favorite boxers back in the day. And the later realization how obvious it all was at the time.

    All in all if I really had to pick one I'm gonna say it's Holmes too, just on numbers and an incredible jab. To be on the safe side ;)
     
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    Thanks Robney! Apologies for the slow reply. Appreciate you always taking the time to watch and provide thought-provoking feedback. And I largely agree what you're saying about comparing how weak different eras might be. At the same time, I think we can objectively state that the 90s heavyweight division appeared to be stacked with more talent, than any time since, or from the 80s. Not everyone will agree. But I think that generally tends to be agreed upon.

    Then again, you bring up a fair question about the 90s not being as strict in terms of steroid testing. I confess to not really knowing a lot about that, but do we know for certain your initial assumption is correct - that testing is more likely to catch someone today? I'm definitely not saying you're wrong. It surely is for baseball. But just knowing how these things have evolved and counter-evolved, kind of like diseases and medications, that there are ways of keeping "ahead of the tests". And beyond that, in boxing - the corrupt nature and the slew of dirty politics that goes into it all - even if testing procedures are indeed significantly better, we as an audience will likely never know the whole truth of what goes on in any situation.

    And I'm not sure what the final verdict is or should be regarding Holyfield.

    But if you put Holmes #1 - I'd be curious to see how the rest of your list would fill out? Especially keeping in mind some of the considerations you've brought forth.

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    Greenpeace will cut them off before they'll harpoon Fury.
     
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    That's a helluva Tweet.

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