The 50 Greatest Bantamweights of All Time

4-0 in world title fights, beat two other guys from the list and was champion for two years.

Got a bit more done I think.

 

Definitely.

Always the case i'd say. There are always about 12 guys in for 6 slots. Bottom ten is always soft wherever you stop over 20.

 

It was a bit wild west, sure, if you want to. In the end, he's done more lineage and more guys who were placed under consideration here than most of the guys he shares a tier with.

I can't agree with this.

Attell, Stanely (beat Moran, Bowker, Palmer, Ledoux, NWS draw with Burns), O'Toole (Abe Attell, Dwyer, Wolgast), Moore (not the one on this list but another very good fighter) he's for sure about the fifty. Of the ten or so champions before Herman, there are a few with a good case but his is one of the stronger ones, he beat a couple of lineal champs. Just the other Attell brother thing is all that bothers me, but all these guys are flawed.

 

What I ended up with:

01 - Ruben Olivares
02 - Manuel Ortiz
03 - Eder Jofre
04 - Fighting Harada
05 - Pete Herman
06 - Lionel Rose
07 - Pal Moore
08 - Kid Williams
09 - Al Brown
10 - Carlos Zarate
11 - Rafael Herrera
12 - Bud Taylor
13 - Joe Lynch
14 - Johnny Coulon
15 - Chucho Castillo
16 - Lou Salica
17 - Terry McGovern
18 - Sixto Escobar
19 - Jeff Chandler
20 - Jimmy Carruthers
21 - Frankie Burns
22 - Vic Toweel
23 - Lupe Pintor
24 - Alfonso Zamora
25 - Rafael Marquez
26 - Orlando Canizales
27 - Pedlar Palmer
28 - Jose Medel
29 - Jose Beccera
30 - Alphonse Halimi
31 - Robert Cohen
32 - Midget Wolgast
33 - Pancho Villa
34 - Enrique Pinder
35 - Jimmy Wilde
36 - Rodolfo Martinez
37 - Abe Goldstein
38 - Newsboy Brown
39 - Joe Bowker
40 - Alan Rudkin
41 - Raul Perez
42 - Happy Lora
43 - Pete Sanstol
44 - Jorge Lujan
45 - Hozumi Hasegawa
46 - Veeraphol Sahaprom
47 - Mario D'Agata
48 - Bernardo Caraballo
49 - Jesus Pimentel
50 - Charley Phil R0senburg

 

Zarate's barely top ten material in my opinion.

Far and away the shallowest resume in the top 10. Definitely guys in the clutch below with better wins, never lineal. Honestly, I'd only question if he's too high, never too low.

Range is 9-15.

 

I do agree with you about Zarate, but I also feel that Pintor got lucky with the cards there, which does matter to me. Sandovl and Davilla are very nice supplementary wins tbf, and it's a nice title reign. But yeah, I see Zarate well above him for, as you say, statistical reasons.

That said, as you can see above, the reaction is generally one of disagreement with his being too low. I have ranked Zarate lower than he generally appears here, for reasons you touch upon.

As you can see from the above, they ended up ranked back to back.

No, third best win just isn't very good. He did "miss out" rather than get dumped though. I could see him at #50 without losing any sleep, but Tony Olivera, Bushy Graham or Jimmy Walsh could all fit too.

#20 is OK I think. Burns could be above him or he could be above Escobar.

 

Yes, it's no problem.

The way the thread is staged is confusing.

It's just because it's a process it ends up that way. And I don't want to replace the end result with the final list because it's unfair to all the posts that were made on the OP.

I'll be doing flyweights soon, you should look in on that from the start.