Truax vs Benn, Watson, Thornton, Holmes, Rocchigiai

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  1. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Truax isn't in the same stratosphere as these awesome operators. Neither is Badou Jack (Ron Essett would've stood him on his head).

    Look what hell Watson and Thornton gave McCallum and Toney (two of the best 10 boxers ever), how dangerous Holmes looked against Graham and Tate, Rocchigiani blowing out Hamsho (who gave Hagler a great fight) and unofficially beating everyone at light-heavy, etc.

    DeGale is the biggest laughing stock in boxing history.

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  2. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    I enjoy reading your posts mate, but with respect, ‘rosy retrospection’ does spring to mind sometimes. I’m like that with 90’s music which slashes all over modern stuff. Back in the late 80’s, early 90’s, there would have been older blokes banging on about how Benn, Eubank, Watson and co wouldn’t have survived with the likes of ‘insert 1960’s boxer’.

    Truax is a very mediocre fighter though and Degale is done and dusted I think.
     
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    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Look at the difference in speed and timing from the get-go here from DeGale tonight to Eubank Sr, and Thornton was such a top-drawer operator (see Sosa fight for a display of throwback technical skill - Sosa would rip through the division today)

    It's just night and day, like leagues apart
     
  4. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't know about you, but DeGale looked **** and rubbish to me. He's a child in his 30s. Eubank beat an awesome Benn for the title when he just turned 24, and had like 20 big defences by 28.

    We know the 80s and early 90s were the golden age of boxing because of the depth of black talent, there were 50 or 60 real US talents per division - the fights were on free TV, more gyms were more packed. Today you have one decent Yank per division, two tops, and then some mediocre Eastern caucasians.
     
  5. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    I hate the rose tinted glass as much as anyone, in particular in the case of Lennox Lewis. I think he would have beaten Ali/Foreman and co despite what the classic forum may believe.

    However I think it's pretty clear now that DeGale wouldn't last with the likes of Benn/Eubank/Watson.
     
  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Watson got outclassed by McCallum or at least got hit way more than he did by Eubank without as much reply, McCallum was way harder to counter in that fight the Eubank was vs Watson, McCallum was a level above all the fighters you are crediting above aside from Graham and look what Roy Jones did to Thornton.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    All the fighters you mention made loads of mistakes.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Loma is an eastern caucasian and completely out of Eubank and Benn`s class, the only thing awesome about Benn at middle was his punch, he became harder to hit when he rose in weight.
     
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Up to 0.43 Eubank didn`t throw a jab, he never used the jab enough, a fighter like Hopkins would have out jabbed Eubank easily.
     
  10. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eubank scored more clean head shots than McCallum on Watson in the first nine rounds. McCallum wasn't leading off in that fight, Watson was. Watson attempted counters on Eubank but Eubank's reflexes got him out of harms way each time. They were all on the same level - McCallum, Nunn, Eubank, Toney, the top level. They didn't fight each other. Although the '93-'95 Benn was also on that level.

    Thornton was post-retirement against Jones and post-shoulder surgery (thats what stopped him - he was on the ropes unable to move his arm), Jones dropped him heavy with a leaping left hook - there's no disputing Roy's power was extraordinary. Technically awful, but physically freaky. He barely laid a glove on Thornton in the finishing flurry for what it's worth.
     
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  11. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eubank was extremely difficult to land a jab against, long-armed jabbers like Watson, Malinga, Essett and Rocchigiani failed miserably to land the jab on Eubank. Hopkins' jab wasn't great, his lead right was though. Trying to out-jab Chris Eubank is not the way Hopkins could win that fight, there are other ways he could don't get me wrong, but we are talking like 1997 Hopkins vs a weight-drained, same-day weigh-in '91 Eubank.

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  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Watch Hopkins talk about how use the jab on youtube! He used to jab them on the shoulders hard to keep them off balance his jab to the body was used as a power punch to sap an opponents energy and Eubank didn`t like being hit in the body.
     
  13. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They never actually fought at the same weight with the same weigh-in to fight period, strangely. Other than 1990-1991 when Hopkins was way down the rankings. But fantasy wise at say middle or super middle, Hopkins has to apply consistent pressure with sharpshooting rights like he did against Glen Johnson, hands high and head moving, hitting the body when possible; that Hopkins beats the stop-start Eubank I believe. Tall, rangey, strong and closing the distance steadily without crossing his feet for 12, maybe giving away the first four to come into it.

    The impressive thing about Eubank was his timing from the first bell, distance found early and accurate, as well as sharp reflexes (defend or counter), but he fought in spurts and had to set himself to lead, plus tired after four... Hopkins was a different kind of fighter, not as gifted with flashy flurries and fancy feet, but mistake-less and super-cunning.
     
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  14. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    DeGale has never looked very good to me. He's always looked sloppy.
     
  15. Grooveongreg

    Grooveongreg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The rose tinted thing only stands up when drugs are involved. I fully buy into the idea that old school fighters could be better than their contemporaries. It was a harder world then men were genrally
    Just tougher .

    As time goes technology can either hamper or aid a fighter . Lots of fighters will want to skip the fumentals to get to the good stuff . This doesn't improve the final package