Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux & Christopher Díaz vs. Bryant Cruz RBR

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  1. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    These aren't excuses but facts. Loma beat an inactive 37 year old moving up 2 weight classes. Rigo fought like 3 rounds since 2015 or 2016 right?
     
  2. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Rigo “Size didn’t make a difference”. Now go away and be honest.
     
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  3. Paranoid Android

    Paranoid Android Manny Pacquiao — The Thurmanator banned Full Member

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    You're Japanese, with a weird obsession with black fighters.
     
  4. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He didn't have options because he was too busy being defensive. That had more to do with having to compensate for the constant footwork that was coming from Loma and the combinations than him having been deeply effected by Loma's power.

    Rig actually took Loma's power better than he did against guys at 122. Loma was just able to offset the things Rig usually does very well....Like controlling distance and position but he was constantly having to be reactive vs proactive and that has everything to do with Loma's style and skills. Not his weight or incredible power. Loma isn't a power puncher.
     
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  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Kind of an unreliable narrator though; he also claimed the fight only went the way it did because of the "hand injury"...
     
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  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Good analysis.
     
  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    lol what part of we're not going to get into this now do you not get, Stan? I'm not interested. Understand? Make sure you do. Your messiah isn't relevant anymore after he got exposed by 0-0-0 Sugar ''Money'' Mac. This is NOMASCHENKO time ROFL

    I'll leave you with this lol

    “Like I said before, I’ve never fought a guy at a catchweight. I don’t fight guys at catchweights. I don’t plaster my gloves. These are things I don’t do, because I’m not that type of guy.”

    "I would never want to put a fighter in a position where he's not comfortable. I want a guy when he's at his best. If he's at his best at 154 and he's strong and he's solid, then that's the fight we're fighting at. I walk around at 150, but at the end of the day - skills pay the bills.... Give me the guys where they are comfortable at their weight so there are no excuses"

    "De La Hoya - Pacquiao fights him at a catchweight. Cotto - he fights him at a catchweight. When I fought De La Hoya I said 'give him to me at 154'. With Cotto - 'give him to me at 154'. Give me the guys where they are comfortable with their weight so there are no excuses"

    ''I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter. He faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catchweight. It wasn’t the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained; he wasn’t hydrated. Antonio Margarito was a guy who was cheating. I want him [Cotto] to be comfortable, to feel good when we meet to go into battle. I don’t want no excuses. So I’m going to go in there and be Floyd Mayweather. I’ve been there before and I know what it takes.”

    Ellberbe commented on Pacquiao’s catchweight win over Cotto in 2009, saying to ***** “He [Cotto] was a dead man walking when he went into the ring. The casual fan doesn’t know what difference one or two pounds can make when a fighter is already down to weight.”

    "That's one thing Floyd make perfectly clear to us," Ellerbe said. "He didn't want to fight him at a catchweight, he wanted to fight him at the weight. Sometimes, you don't get full credit when you fight at a catchweight. Floyd wanted to make sure Miguel was comfortable."

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    ''Problem is Floyd doesn't get tired and we've seen Canelo fade in fights before.. Having to take off that extra two pounds is.. people think it's just two pounds but when you already struggling to make 154 that extra two pounds is a lot. He [Canelo] is going to put on a lot of weight but he's not going to be able to put on the right kind of weight in just 24 hours. So he's gonna feel the fact that he's, you know, stripped his body, cutting his muscles to get to 152.''

    ---Andre ''SOG'' Ward aka P4P#1 aka the real TBE.
     
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  8. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    And it was cute the way THEY were cushioning Rigo’s fall with the “Rigo is moving up two classes doe! Rigo is TECHNICALLY SUPERIOR but Loma just bigger.”

    Dude got his ass schooled and embarrassed. Size had nothing to do with it.
     
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    That narrative was being pushed as hard as it could be to cushion the blow
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I watched a Dontae stream yesterday, or rather as much as I could bare of it. So forgive me if I'm a little combative.
     
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  11. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    I picked Rigo to win so I gotta call him a BUM now, he can't fight at all.
    His gold medals are fraudulent like Joshua's and he's a wino from the alley.
    Zero credit to Loma for his win.
     
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  12. FuMaster

    FuMaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Write a novel it would be shorter

    That's Floyd contradicting himself. What's new? Canelo contradicted himself and said he would fight Floyd at 150 as you said YEARS EARLIER. He fought Floyd when he was 23. I guess your metabolism slows down to a crawl from 21 to 23? 37 year old Floyd drained a 23 year old. You're kidding me right?

    I accept Floyd fought a green Canelo but a drained one is a dumb argument.
     
  13. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    So would you say size played a role in Floyd vs Pac?
     
  14. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Loma didn't hurt or drop Rig. Matter of fact, Rig took Loma's power much better than some of the other fighters who actually dropped and hurt Rig two weight classes south.

    Again, it's hard to tell how the face breaking, jaw crushing punches from Rig would have affected Loma because he couldn't find his target all night....and he never gave himself a chance to allow his skills and power to impact the momentum of the fight because he quit.

    Rig pretty much stayed true to his style. He fought cautiously, measures and defensive. That's what we all expected. The style didn't change....his accuracy and and precision was impacted due to the issues he had with Loma's speed and footwork.

    Loma's weight advantage and height advantage didn't not impact Rig's accuracy. That had nothing to do with a 8 lb weight advantage or a 3 inch height advantage....or even a reach advantage in Rigs favor. This was a skills fight. Both men rely on craft, savvy and skills to win....not throwing their weight around, mauling and bullying their opponents.

    It wasn't an inside fight and Loma wasn't making it an inside fight. This fight was fought mostly at range which was dictated by Loma. Rig couldn't wrestle control because he was struggling with the different looks, the constant movement, angles and pivots Loma was showing him.

    Rig held to attempt to use the ref to reset them so he could attempt to disrupt Loma's rhythm and at the same time, find his range. It was smart and crafty, It just didn't work.
     
  15. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So you predicted Loma was going to dominate Rig?