Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux & Christopher Díaz vs. Bryant Cruz RBR

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  1. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Dam I gotta watch the highlights lol. You probably enjoyed every bit and thought of it as Karma for hitting Loma's nuts :risas3:.
     
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  2. JohnnyDrama99

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    Lol. “Weight impacts accuracy”? That’s the winner of dumbest statement of the year.

    Weight impacts power, not accuracy. Rig is ALWAYS cautious knucklehead! That is fundamentally his style. He is a cerebral fighter who is very conservative which is why his punch output is lower than most of his peers.

    Loma got hit more in this fight than any other. That was part of his challenges against Loma. Not the 8 lb differential or the height advantage Loma has. Rig held a reach advantage that Loma negated with his superior footwork and positioning inside the ring tonight.

    Rig was always going to have problems with Loma’s speed and style regardless of the weight.
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    You'd think more boxers would employ it. That's a spot that if you thump it just so, pays massive dividends. Basically a button you can push to destroy your opponent's equilibrium.
     
  4. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Of course it does. So you're saying having too much weight doesn't affect your speed of your punch? Are you really this dense? Like I said rigo put on unnecessary wait. Did you even read my logic? Yes Rigo is always cautious but he had to be even more cautious due to the size difference.
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    In a way I did, but it also saddened me, Salido went down brutally against Aristedes Perez, who sucks, and Roman is relentless, and basically a younger Salido with a sturdier chin, who hits just as hard if not harder, Salido looked shot in that fight, then yesterday he looked mentally done, even though I picked Roman to win by KO a month ago.:lol: But I like Salido and picked him to beat Loma actually.:lol: So as much of a shitheel as he is, I'm a huge fan of his.
     
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  6. CST80

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    He didn't win by imposing his size doe, he won by outboxing him, it is what it is, just admit it, its not that hard is it?
     
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  7. JohnnyDrama99

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    Sure it does. But some fighters carry up their speed and power. Loma didn’t start off at 130....he moved up and maintained his speed. But in this case Rig was never going to be faster than Loma. His timing was supposed to be the tool used to negate the speed advantage Loma had. Rig didn’t put on unnecessary weight, it was a smart move to give him added durability and power since he was moving up. Rig didn’t have to be more cautious because of the weight, he had to be more cautious due to Loma’s skill set. Rig got hit more tonight than in any other fight.....but ironically the power from Loma didn’t have more of an impact than some guys at 122 who actually hurt and dropped Rig. He was just overwhelmed by the more dimensions Loma brought to the ring that he had never experienced before
     
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  8. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    "Sure it does."
    K. Glad we agree.
     
  9. PH|LLA

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    I'm really happy for our local grown talent Montreal born and raised Russ Anber who I remember seeing watching PPV's at Champs and also involved at a lot of the fights. He started Rival Boxing Gear brand and has been in the corner of many great fighters. He also trained David Lemieux from childhood. Respect. Love seeing him in Loma's corner, Wilder's corner, and all these top fighters' corners.
     
  10. JohnnyDrama99

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    We agree on weight impacting speed...not accuracy. Weight impacts power. Timing impacts accuracy.
     
  11. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes and speed is relevant to accuracy. Are you this delusional to deny this?
     
  12. qwertyblahblah

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    Great post. Strength and physical qualities were not decisive difference makers. Loma was the more dynamic outside boxer, and outboxed the boxer. Better, faster punches, better movement. Rigo could not find Loma at all at range, he only touched him with sneaky shots when Loma got close, and Rigo was focused on looking for him to open up inside. Of course activity and will to win was even more decisive. Because while Rigo showed enough in spots to suggest he could make Loma fight his fight and win rounds... he didn't show the competitive fire to do so... and when the going got a bit tough all he did was quit. Rigo doesn't have the heart and quit, that's what this fight amounted to. It may have been low risk big reward for Rigo going in, but when he pulls that kind of quit job his ability to get fights and his reputation deserves to take a massive hit.

    I just feel horribly let down, like I never have after a Lomachenko match. Walters quitting at least made sense and was satisfying to watch. This fight was meaningless and an insult to boxing. I wish I missed it and watched the whole HBO show.
     
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  13. greenhornet

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    yep it was size, not speed. you are a moron.
     
  14. ellerbe

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    Oh by the way, I feel like you're going to gish gallop me to death, so before you do that, I'm going to warn you that I'm only responding to one point at a time. I don't want this to become the battle of 100 points a post a time.
     
  15. JohnnyDrama99

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    If you are faster than your opponent speed can help with accuracy....but Rig was never faster than Loma so he had to be sharp and rely on superior timing to negate the speed advantage. You’re reaching to rationalize why Rig was hit more and less accurate than he’s even been. It has nothing to do with weight....and everything to do with the skill and talents of the guy he was fighting tonight. Otherwise Rig would have a losing record. He is almost always the smaller man in the ring