Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux & Christopher Díaz vs. Bryant Cruz RBR

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  1. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're completely misrepresenting my argument. We can talk about if you like. I feel like you're just being petty and wasting my time though.

    Haha yeah. I did troll you but did I not also tell you multiple times that Wlad was old? Would you not say that I'm consistent?
     
  2. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lol. Calm down Corky...You haven’t read my “essays” yet you respond?Hilarious... You must ride the short bus kid. If you think I’ve written anything close to an essay. Lol. I wish I could reply to you on construction paper and with crayons to make this easier on you.
     
  3. recycling

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    I guess you just disagree. Size advantage gave Loma the ability to be reckless and commit. He had no respect for rigos power due to the size.

    Bigger skilled fighters beats smaller skilled fighters. I'm sure you are familiar with this saying. So yes it does affect technical fighters.

    No rigo was prepared for Loma angles as I said before. He still got hit cuz of reasons said above. If they were same size, rigo would be more aggressive imo.

    I agree his timing was off but size combined with defensive awareness really effected this. As said before, if both were same size it would be different.

    Using size with infighting is what Chavez Jr does. And it's the wrong way if you want to be skilled. As said before, size advantage need not be physical. Look at tommy hearns, tall and technical.
     
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  4. Baneofthegame

    Baneofthegame Active Member Full Member

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    So why was Rigo constantly calling out Loma? He was the one who wanted this fight.
     
  5. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't read them I just skim through them. You put way too much effort into it. I read the response you wrote right now. Why? Because it was a reasonable amount. I just find it hilarious how hypocritical you are claiming that others are taking **** too seriously.
     
  6. recycling

    recycling Active Member Full Member

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    Why does any boxer call out anyone?
     
  7. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    what is it then? never once heard anyone called straw man in my life. brainless because of the wizard of oz? my best guess.
     
  8. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think you're getting at this argument, correct me if I'm wrong. So you're saying that if a fighter is getting called out and he wins the fight the quality of that win increases.
     
  9. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    get them to come out of the closet for a date?
     
  10. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sure if you're too lazy to google I'll copy paste a definition for you. A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.
     
  11. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    guess that is subjective.
     
  12. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's not subjective at all. I never brought up volume or that speed=accuracy. You're refuting arguments I never brought up.
     
  13. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you said speed equals accuracy. or leads to accuracy. we won't agree on that, so not gonna argue. i did paraphrase what you said, correctly or incorrectly.
     
  14. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I said speed is a factor in accuracy. By saying speed=accuracy you were misrepresenting my argument. As for the volume thing I have no clue where that came from, but it was definitely a straw man. Anyways since you seem level headed now, the main point I was making(Now it's possible that you didn't articulate what you wanted to say properly or that I misinterpreted), is that if a fighter is inaccurate already and he lost speed, he's not going to become more accurate because he lost speed. I'd say it would be even harder for that inaccurate boxer to land with the same skill-set, timing, etc.
     
  15. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    an inaccurate boxer who won't pick up accuracy by losing speed will not garner accuracy by increasing speed either. that being said, if you disagree, that is that. not arguing the point.