As of now: Crawford or Lomachenko higher pound for pound?

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Who is the more perfect fighter at this juncture, IYO?

Poll closed Feb 10, 2018.
  1. Vasyl "Hi-Tek" Lomachenko #1

    64.2%
  2. Terence "Bud" Crawford #1

    23.2%
  3. Vasyl "Hi-Tek" Lomachenko higher, but lower than #1

    6.3%
  4. Terence "Bud" Crawford higher, but lower than #1

    6.3%
  1. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Craw

    But if Floyd ever returns he immediately reclaims that spot, same with Ward.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Both technically did compete in 2017 but having ostensibly retired neither can be in the running for current p4p.

    That said, take away their retirements and the p4p top five is probably May, Ward, Craw, Loma, GGG (not in that exact order necessarily but I'm happy with it)
     
  3. MVC!

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    Think of it as p4p emeritus, where both men could return at any time and because of their brilliance, they immediately get elevated to that position. Adding the fact that both fighters are so far and above Crawford and loma on skills alone

    It should be enough
     
  4. IntentionalButt

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    You caught me before edit, Quick Draw McGraw. :thumbsup:
     
  5. MVC!

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    Yeah spell check sucks
     
  6. IntentionalButt

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    Huh? I'm talking about the second paragraph I added to what you quoted:

    That said, take away their retirements and the p4p top five is probably May, Ward, Craw, Loma, GGG (not in that exact order necessarily but I'm happy with it)
     
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  7. tinman

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    I see what you're saying. He didn't pull of a DLH or Pacquiao type run where the dude was lining up HOF and ATG guys fight after fight after fight.

    But he has run off a string of good wins recently in an era of inactivity, excessive ducking and politics.

    If we start dinging guys too much for losses, hell a single loss from 4 years ago in their 2nd fight no less, than we're going to see a lot more cherry picks. And it would probably do a disservice to the sport.

    I'm one of those guys who acknowledges the Salido loss, but I don't put too much stock into it. I can't jump on the "0" train. I'm done with that. The Mayweather era is over.
     
  8. tinman

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    Well p4p to me isn't a lifetime achievement award. If we could somehow negate size than Crawford and Loma would wipe the floor with a 35 year old GGG and a 41 year old Mayweather. Especially Floyd in his current state.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

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    It was refreshing to hear Kellerman pause in his breathless fanboying over Lomachenko (that man does love himself a bandwagon!) to clarify that even digging past the fouls, Salido did have a clear, deserved, legit victory on the night.

    Crawford has beaten a roughly equally impressive slew of decent fighters as Loma, in roughly equally as impressive fashion. All other things being equal, why not rate the undefeated guy with thrice as many bouts/wins, higher?
     
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  10. tinman

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    Ok good point, but I would still argue Loma has beaten the better fighters. Gary Russel Jr. in particular is a cut above anybody on Crawford's resume.

    But yea the fact that he's undefeated may hold considerable value to some even in the post Floyd era. And Crawford does have many more fights.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

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    Not a lifetime achievement award, no, but to carry the kind of momentum guys like Mayweather and Ward do/did, it would take a lot to derail them. If he didn't follow up novice McGregor with a top 5 welter then yeah I'd say May could be dropped from the p4p rankings as he was no longer making a serious play at being "the man", just dicking around for some extra paydays. Likewise if Ward rested on his Kovalev x2 laurels and proceeded to go on a run of Seanie Monaghan/Mike Lee/Darnell Boone III, same for him.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

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    The more i think about it, the happier I am with Vasyl = Kobe Bryant and Crawford = Tim Duncan.
     
  13. Paranoid Android

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    Loma = Kurosawa

    Bud = Scorsese
     
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  14. N17

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    I don't think there is a lot in it, I think this will be one of those that changes opinions each time one fights, wins and looks impressive.

    At this moment I'd go with Loma but if Crawford looks as impressive in his next fight then he has a very strong case.

    Two exceptional talents.


    I'd throw Mikey Garcia in the mix too, I don't think he is that far away.
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

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    Too inactive at the moment to be in the convo with this pair but a couple of top notch performances over any top 15 victims could put him right in.
     
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