How do you rate the trainer Don Turner?

Don Turner is a verrry good trainer, an ATG. Extremely knowledgable. I love listening to him speak about the old time fighters

 

He's worked with a very impressive list of fighters. I have no idea what he's done for any of them though, or how much of a difference he's made in any of their careers (other than Holyfield...), so I have no idea how we should rate him.

 

Turner was sacked as Holyfield's trainer,sacked as Grants trainer , Kovalev left him, Turner was not his trainer for the first Ward fight and his role for the second was that of a cut man ,a role which he himself said, when he trained Holyfield was "bullsh*t" and unnecessary.

When do you say Turner trained Wlad?
Trainers: Fritz Sdunek (1996 - 2003), Emanuel Steward (2004 - 2012), Johnathon Banks (2012 - present
When do you say he trained Vitali?
As far as I know and of course I could be wrong .Fritz Sdunek is the only trainer Vitali had as a pro.
These are the trainers credited to Mike McCallum.
Trainers: George Benton, Eddie Futch, Miguel Diaz

When did Turner fulfill that role and for how long?

Pryor ,as we know was trained by Panama Lewis for the notorious fight with Arguello,when Lewis was banned Emmanuel Steward took over as trainer, he was succeeded by Richie Giachetti. When did Turner train Pryor?

Lomachenko has been trained by his Father Anatoly for all his professional fights [2013 -now].

As far as I can ascertain,and again I could very well be wrong, Turner was the last trainer Holmes employed in his career .Turner was Holmes trainer for the Mercer, McCall fight and Nielsen fights .
Turner says a fighter cannot "overtrain," is he correct do you think? He also says hitting the pads is a waste of time and achieves nothing is he correct on this do you think?
If Turner is right on the former then Archie Moore must be wrong when he said he overtrained for Patterson musn't he?
If he is right on the latter, why was/is it used in the training camps of
Eddie Futch,Abel Sanchez,Nacho Beristan,Freddie Roach,Adam Booth,
Gil Clancy,Emmanuel Steward,Jonathan Banks,Nazim Richardson,Terry Lawless,George Francis,Dominic Ingle,Shane McGuigan,Roberto Garcia,Floyd Mayweather Snr?
If Turner is right, they must all be wrong musn't they?
What do you think?
In a You Tube interview Turner said Floyd Mayweather Jnr would only be a 6 rds prelim fighter in the old days.Yet previously, after Mayweather beat up Turner's fighter DeMarcus Corley ,Turner said the following:

"He's like magic. He makes you move into the punches".
Surely one statement contradicts the other?
Quizzed about Joe Louis, Turner said Louis only had one trainer his whole career. Manny Seamon?

 

Turner was sacked from being Holyfields trainer after a shot to **** and completely delusional evander got mad at him for stopping the Toney fight out of concern for his fighter.

If he was no good and had nothing to offer, then that long and impressive list of champions wouldnt have wasted their time and money on him.

 

Lewis really knocked his standing down a notch.

 

Good post here

 

I am trying to ascertain exactly what input he had in the training of the boxers that Reznick has listed.
That seems reasonable and essential when trying to evaluate his standing as a trainer,or do you disagree?

No one on this thread has yet said Turner was "no good" or that he ,"had nothing to offer."
How good he was and just what he had to offer, Reznick has invited us to investigate and comment on.

Here is an article written by top boxing writer Dave Anderson it is about the first Moorer v Holyfield fight and Turners opinions on the necessity or otherwise of cut men in a corner.

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/23/sports/sports-of-the-times-the-cut-man-who-wasn-t-there.html
Here are Wikipedia's comments on that fight.

Cutman Incident.
"He is credited as being the man who convinced Evander Holyfield that the cutman is "the biggest scam in boxing." During the heavyweight championship bout, Holyfield suffered a cut above his left eye which kept reopening during the match, affecting his vision. The lack of a cutman is thought to have been a determining factor that cost Holyfield the match".


Here is a clip of Turner with another trainer who is noted for his mitt work discussing the merits or demerits of the pads.

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Reznik has said that Turner made the following quote, and he did, it can be found on You Tube.

"Rocky Marciano was the hardest puncher I ever see" Since Marciano had his last fight in New York in1955 and Turner was born in1939 and raised in Cincinnati and that would have made him15 years old when Rocky fought his last bout against Archie Moore, I have to ask was Turner speaking figuratively or literally?

Did he see Marciano fight in the flesh or, is he basing his opinion on film footage of the great Rocky,which would be in line with nearly all the rest of us I should imagine.
Since Turner would only have been fifteen years old when Rocky had that last fight and the Moore fight over 600 miles distance away,I think it possible, indeed highly probable that Turner's opinions are based on hearsay and film in other words the same as ours!
Does anyone find my tentative conclusions unreasonable?

 

At no time have I suggested Turner was lying.
He isn't the one crediting himself with training all these champs YOU are.

You said he was the trainer for the Klitschkos wouldn't it be up to you to substantiate that?

 

There is no loyalty in boxing. Great trainers get sacked all the time. Lots of Boxers change their trainers each time they lose.

 

Gotta love Gus.

 

I cannot decide whether he is trolling or he genuinely is as backward as he appears?

 

I am in your boat