"Attaboy rounds" - a common fallacy in scoring boxing matches RBR.

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'm officially giving these a name, and calling out guilty parties that utilize them. In the future when this issue comes up I'm going to just bump or link to this thread.

    I don't believe in/don't award "attaboy" rounds, which is why I'm far more qualified to score bouts than most.

    This is the logic-trap fallacy that people fall into where the guy getting schooled does a little better than in all the other far more lopsided rounds while the one doing the schooling does a tad less well (or is just much less active, taking a breather, what have you) and so the mindless sheep thing to do is to give the guy that's been on the losing end a pity round/A-for-effort round. That isn't what you're supposed to do when properly, objectively scoring a fight RBR and viewing each round in a vacuum.

    That's why I have both Mayweather vs. Canelo and BJS vs. Lemieux shutouts. There were rounds where the demonstrated gap in class was RELATIVELY narrower than in other rounds, but never a round where it narrowed enough that the master boxer didn't still deserve the 10-9.
     
  2. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    lmieux deserved an attaboy round for not pulling a rigandeaux!!!
     
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  3. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    If it's specified, not 100% genuine in the context of an internet forum then I don't see the problem. But yeah - vast improvements in performance =/= winning a round if you aren't actually doing better than your opponent.
     
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  4. scorecard12

    scorecard12 Member banned Full Member

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    Saunders taunted in round 12 didn't let go on purpose. Lemieux did let go landed shots to the body with nothing on them. Landing more pitty pit body shots than Saunders threw in the last round.
    I know it wasnt a momentum changer. but imagine a scenario where a guy dominated a round completely. then imagine a round where that guy legit does nothing eats a couple pitty patty shots. and that's all that happens. should the guy guy that didn't let go still get the round because it didnt change the tide?
     
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  5. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    I think most people would agree in theory. The problem is they dont see when their subconscious bias for gimme rounds like this is actually happening to them in real time.
     
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  6. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't mind giving 1 round to guys who tried their best but were nowhere near good enough. Its a pity round. A thanks for taking part round. That last round for me, David pushed the action, he tried his best, but it was too late in the game. If I looked at it more closely, and this was even going into the final round, that pity woulnd't be there.
     
  7. scorecard12

    scorecard12 Member banned Full Member

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    my way of scoring is that if you can isolate that round and watch it on it's own who won the round. what happened in the last round shouldnt make a difference. Momentum rounds and Comparison rounds happen too often.
     
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  8. scorecard12

    scorecard12 Member banned Full Member

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    I dont agree with a pitty round if you can isolate a round and it has a clear loser it has a clear loser.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    So then what you're saying is the honest version of ilikeboxing had it 10-9 Saunders. :lol:
     
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  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Correct! Momentum rounds are another fallacy.

    Let's say Jones wins 1-6 impressively. If the 7th is close but clear for Smith, many will still give it to Jones because Smith didn't turn it around and dominate.

    It should go to Smith, however .
     
  11. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    The problem here is that it's still just ones' own opinion.

    I'm guessing you have been accused of some attaboy rounds yourself, IB, as all could be.

    My problem with "attaboy" rounds is when they line up with obvious pre-fight fandom and predictions.
     
  12. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I did yes, thanks for taking part David.:/ Lol
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'd like to think anybody that knows me - even those that can't stand me - respect the integrity of my scoring and my commitment to upholding the promise for to view each round in a vacuum for several years now.
     
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  14. scorecard12

    scorecard12 Member banned Full Member

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    I'll just end it with this I didn't think Saunders won round 12. I think he had a victory lap because Lemieux was charging at him and desperate just like his corner said. Billy listened to his corner. round 10 was close but I bet on a rewatch it was a Billy Joe round too just lemieux landed a few punches but I think billy joes start was better, that was a comparison round (likely)
     
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  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    When I wasn't an unofficial judge on here, whatever that means.:lol: I loved scoring attaboy rounds for guys, always knowing I was being intellectually dishonest and pushing an agenda. But now that I want people to take my scorecards seriously, I'm every bit as harsh as you are, sometimes meaner.